I could not start the car this morning.

[MP5Navy]

It was cold this morning and my car would not start! I tried several times before I jumped out to check the Sparkco wires. Because of the gap in the boot moisture must have travelled into the plug and was F-ing my start. I unplugged everything and toyed with the wires. It started up after 15 mins of work. The 'check engine' light is on however.

A few points:

1. I hate the wires - gonna have to do further mods to make sure they don't get more moisture (zip tie thing)

2. A group return is not out of the question. Getting to work late cause of my riced up wires is not a cool excuse.

3. How do I get rid of the check engine light? Do i just undo the negative at the battery and reset the computer?

[YP5 Toronto]

Same thing happened to me this morning....It took longer than usual to get the sucker started.

Check Engine Light: Unplug the negative terminal and wait about 5 mins.

[Eds mp5]

Thats bullshit. Not impressed with these at all. I installed the blue ones on gregs car last night and they have a round black (sucktion cup) instead of the square one that i have. It seems that the round more flexible sucktion cup seemed to be making a better seal than the square ones. What can we do about this. I have a meeting at two if my car doesn start im goign to be pissed!

Ed

[firefly]

Did you guys get the round boot or square boot version?

I'm just wondering how come none of the members on the "other" board never have any problems with them.  Afterall it's their review that got me into buying them.

Edit: And I sent an email to Sparkco about how poorly they're made when I broke my first set of wires. They never replied. Where is that SparkcoTech guy used to post here?

[Sky_high]

You should have gone the Magnecor route!

[midnightp5]

I'm glad I didn't pick up a set of those wires.

That's F%#&in BS!

You guys should get a hold of whoever sold them to you and demand a refund.

Sorry to hear about the bad luck you guys/gals are having.
Hope you all kept your stock wires.

[ChopstickHero]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (midnightp5 @ Oct. 17 2002,11:01)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Sorry to hear about the bad luck you guys/gals are having.
Hope you all kept your stock wires.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
it's not the vendor that we should blame, it's the manufacturer. we should write a formal letter expressing our displeasure. Hopefully, they will reissue us some new and improved ones.

[mronions]

I really don't believe these wires have been made SPECIFICALLY for our cars. They seem like patch job, make-fit type of product. There a few different styles,... with different boot fits etc. Why is this?

[KingKong]

I have the Round Boot and have no problems so far...I know Dave has the Square Boot...

You guys are talking about which part that is letting moisture in? The Horizontal or Veritical?

[Bumble G]

Man I came that close to getting thease things.

Glad I didn't. Sound like thease wires were made buy someone in thier basement with a whole bunch of assorted parts and just slapped em together.

Sucks though.

I think everyone should rip em off thier car and send em all back for a refund. If they don't honour that refund goto every car enthusiast website and post the findings and results of thier poor quality. Nothing like word of mouth to either make or brake a company. http://msg.toprotege.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/crazy.gif

[Silvermp5]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (ChopstickHero @ Oct. 17 2002,11:09)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Sorry to hear about the bad luck you guys/gals are having.
Hope you all kept your stock wires.<span id='postcolor'>
it's not the vendor that we should blame, it's the manufacturer.  we should write a formal letter expressing our displeasure.  Hopefully, they will reissue us some new and improved ones.[/quote]
You're right but we dealt with the vendor who is acting as a middleman for the company.  So any complaints should go the vendor who can contact the company for the issues.  Writting to Sparco will not get you anywhere, they will not reply and ignore the issue.  I need to know where they were purchased from so I can try to get my money back or return it and get one that properly fits.  

I am not happy with the fit, this sounds like Ractive all over when they first came out with the Intake, it was too long, but now they are coming out with the shorter pipe that fits properly. http://msg.toprotege.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/crazy.gif

[MP5Navy]

The problem is not with the boots that sit flush with the valve cover but rather the plugs that engage the ignition. I don't think the square boots or the round boots are any better than each other. My beef is with the improper fit into the ignition coil pack and the poor seal around these connections.

Everyone know that the plugs needed to be modded (spread apart) and everyone's rubber boot around the ignition coil pack is loose as hell. I am going to be putting some zip ties on it for now and see how things go.

I hate reviews done up by people who get all high because they just bought a new part. When reviewing a new product please be honest don't hype it up cause you just dropped a bunch of cash on it. All those good reviews from fellow Pro owners really makes anything else they say discreditable.

[Silvermp5]

I am with you on that Dave, mine looks like if I go over a hard bump, it will fall off.

[firefly]

The ones with the round boot have a different crimp design at the coil pack end. When I got my replacement set I didn't need to spread them out. The crimp looks a lot larger than the first set I got and they just snap in.

[MP5Navy]

Many of you know that I installed many wires during our Wire pick up meet. None of them - regardless of colour or crimp style - fit perfectly. They all needed modification and did not fit as well as stock.

Another thing that disturbs me is that not all the wires were made with the same hardware. I saw three different crimp styles and two styles of boots for the valve cover. WTF is Sparkco doing?

[midnightp5]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (MP5Navy @ Oct. 17 2002,12:10)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Another thing that disturbs me is that not all the wires were made with the same hardware.  I saw three different crimp styles and two styles of boots for the valve cover.  WTF is Sparkco doing?[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Are you sur ethey weren't made by ractive? hehehehe http://msg.toprotege.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[ChopstickHero]

ok, i'm in the process of writing a formal complaint. when i post it, please edit it.

[Protege5 Kid]

I didin't grab a site either...but if you guys need me as a voice or a name please feel free to use me!

When my Club mates get riped off....i get riped off!

[firefly]

Maybe we should have another group meet and take some pic to show sparkco which crimp style they should use for our car.

[Protege5girl]

Is it possible they sent the wrong wires?? Vancouver club said they have no problems with theirs.

[firefly]

Not likely...as our car is probably the only ones out there that uses two wires.

[Silvermp5]

It definetely looks like either they are the wrong wire or they just made them so quickly that they didn't care about quality.

Some please try to get some pictures of the Vancouver cars or the Quebec cars, also we need to find out what other cars would these exact same wires fit in.

[ChopstickHero]

Draft:  [b]Please edit or add stuff to it[b]


Dear SparkcoTech,

The Toronto Protegé Club would like to denounce the SparkcoTech ignition wires for the Mazda 2.0L engine.  We ordered twenty-five (25) sets of 2.0L ignition wires and of these sets, all of them had to be modified.  The plugs that engage into the ignition had to be widened to fit snug and properly because the original metal plugs were too thin and did not fit.  The rubber boots do not fit properly as well.  They are loose and a few members of the club have experienced engine misfire, improper idle and engine stall, due to the cold temperature and moisture.  Also, when we received the ignition wires, we noticed that there were many different hardware sets.  The quality and hardware of rubber boots were all different and the metallic plugs were of different shape and design.

Even worse, one of our members received a set of wires that were already broken.  He returned his wires for a new set at SpeedTech Auto and his wires fit perfectly because they were of proper design.  A question quickly arises: Why has our club received twenty-five sets of low quality, improperly fitting ignition wires?  Only you know the answer to that.

From your reputation, promotion and advertisement, your product has received attention and widespread usage.  We have never heard of SparkoTech wires being of poor quality and problematic.  However, after experiencing first hand at what these wires are about, we are all greatly disappointed in your product.

The solution is simple.  Reissue improved wires specifically made for the 2.0L engine for an exchange of our low-quality wires and regain our consumer trust or provide a full refund.

Sincerely,

Toronto Protegé Club

[KingKong]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Even worse, one of our members received a set of wires that were already broken. He returned his wires for a new set at SpeedTech Auto and his wires fit perfectly because they were of proper designEven worse, one of our members received a set of wires that were already broken. He returned his wires for a new set at SpeedTech Auto and his wires fit perfectly because they were of proper design. A question quickly arises: Why has our club has received twenty-five sets of low quality, improperly fitting ignition wires? Only you know the answer to that.
sets of low quality, improperly fitting ignition wires? Only you know the answer to that.
[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>

Should Read: &quot;...A question quickly arises: Why has our club (Remove **has**)received twenty-five ...&quot;

[Silvermp5]

Good job, I like that, here is a pic I found

Looks like this one fits really nice


http://membres.lycos.fr/phpcpq/membres/bugzy/BUGZY06.JPG

http://pages.infinit.net/dundee/sparko-wires.jpg

http://us.f1.yahoofs.com/users/3fcafdf3/bc/sparkcopic2.jpg

[Bumble G]

I don't know about the </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">We ordered twenty-five (25) sets of 2.0L ignition wires and of these sets, all of them had to be modified[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>

They may say you voided thier warrenty by modifying the wires. Just say that none of the wires fit properly. Don't open you'reself up to &quot;you messed up the wires&quot;

[EvolutionIV]

just for the record...I didn't need to modify my wires to insert them into the coil pack. I have square boots and there is an EXCESS gap from the wire connecting to the coil pack.

Evo.

[Bumble G]

Everyone that bought the wires should take pictures of the part they feel is defective. We(the club) should set up a meet soon to take pictures of the defects. So that All 25 sets can be photographed on the engine to show the differences in quality.

I can volunteer my camera and time.

[EvolutionIV]

I can also help out, I have a digital cam.........

Evo.

[EvolutionIV]

Has anyone talked to Speedtech about the situation yet? Because if we get Speedtech on our side we can have more leverage.

Evo.

[INiTiAL33]

Hi folks im from the vancouver board..... i just wanted to say that we are having no problems with the wires and are happy with them.......... just one thought........ did you guys say you had the square boot? Cause we all had teh circle boot and it fitted perfectly and snuggly.......... but one of our members had a 1.8L and his wires came with the square boot and his was really screwed....

[mronions]

I've added a few subtle phases here and there.....(the stuff in caps)


Dear SparkcoTech,

The Toronto Protegé Club would like to denounce the SparkcoTech ignition wires for the Mazda 2.0L engine.  We ordered twenty-five (25) sets of 2.0L ignition wires and of these sets, all of them had to be modified.  The plugs that engage into the ignition had to be widened to fit snug and properly because the original metal plugs were too thin and did not fit.  The rubber boots do not fit properly as well.  They are loose and a few members of the club have experienced engine misfire, improper idle and engine stall, due to the cold temperature and moisture.  Also, when we received the ignition wires, we noticed that there were many different hardware sets.  The quality and hardware of rubber boots were all different and the metallic plugs were of different shape and design. IS THERE AN EXPLANATION FOR THIS?

Even worse, one of our members received a set of wires that were already broken.  He returned his wires for a new set at SpeedTech Auto and his wires fit BETTER because they were of proper design.  A question quickly arises: Why has our club received twenty-five sets of low quality, improperly fitting ignition wires?  Only you know the answer to that.

From your reputation, promotion and advertisement, your product has received attention and widespread usage.  We have never heard of SparkoTech wires being of poor quality and problematic.  However, after experiencing first hand at what these wires are about, we are all greatly disappointed in your product. WE AS A GROUP SINCERELY LOOKED FORWARD TO FOSTERING A GOOD RELATIONSHIP WITH YOUR COMPANY, HOPEFULLY WE CAN RESOLVE THIS ISSUE AMICABLY.

The solution is simple.  Reissue improved wires specifically made for the 2.0L engine for an exchange of our low-quality wires and regain our consumer trust or provide a full refund.

Sincerely,

Toronto Protegé Club

[MP5Navy]

It's always wet in the WEST coast.  If those guys are not having start up problems then we have been screwed by Sparkco.  I will be replacing my Sparkco wires for my stock wires tonight.  Should we have a group meet? LOL JUST KIDDING!

BTW DAMN CHOPS for putting together this shitty group buy. http://msg.toprotege.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[jali-p5]

i've run into a little lag in starting a couple times already.......going to check my plugs again........this f***ing sucks! i hope who ever sees this board will read about how crap those Sparkco wires are and refrain from buying them.......we're all a bunch of suckers and I for one wished that I didn't buy them........what a f***ing waste of money and the fact that we had to mod them even before putting them on tells me that the craftsmanship sucks s***........group return is definitely a possibility for me!!! F***ING SQUARE BOOT!!! F***, F***, F*** http://msg.toprotege.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif .........i just hope my car can continue to start........can this be cause for a class action?? hahahaha.......... http://msg.toprotege.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/bs.gif

[Silvermp5]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (MP5Navy @ Oct. 17 2002,1:24)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">It's always wet in the WEST coast.  If those guys are not having start up problems then we have been screwed by Sparkco.  I will be replacing my Sparkco wires for my stock wires tonight.  Should we have a group meet? LOL JUST KIDDING!

BTW DAMN CHOPS for putting together this shitty group buy.  http://msg.toprotege.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
That's not Chops' fault,

[EvolutionIV]

if we don't get a response from Sparkco I say we post our situation on every board we can get a hold of. Not just Mazda..but everything. That should make Sparkco pay attention.

Evo.

[jali-p5]

is it me or does all this talk about what we're going to write kinda defeat the purpose since SparkcoTech is on this board and can read what we're writing........hmmmmmmmmm http://msg.toprotege.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif

[MP5Navy]

Sam. It's all Chops' fault the guy completely pulled the wool over our eyes. I bet Chops is the only one not having any problems. I looked at his engine bay a little while ago and he got a whole bunch of free Sparkco stuff for organizing this group buy. Chops was only into this group buy cause he knew it would only make his car phatter. Mike is a bastard and a damn fine example of what a WESTSIDE guy is all about.

[Silvermp5]

I got it, Mike made the wires himself with materials he got from Home Depot. It's probably 3 bucks to make and sold it to us for 60.00 bucks.

[KingKong]

And that Letter is prolly just a Front..He's not gonna send it out and tell everyone SparkcoTech did not respond!

[jali-p5]

that would explain the improper fit and why it took soooo long to get the wires in the first place

[ChopstickHero]

yes, you all figured me out. btw, i'm still in mexico profiting from you suckas! LOL...

mronions: thanks for the additions

dave &amp; jean: you guys are bastards

[Bumble G]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Bumble G @ Oct. 17 2002,1:11)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I don't know about the </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">We ordered twenty-five (25) sets of 2.0L ignition wires and of these sets, all of them had to be modified[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>

They may say you voided thier warrenty by modifying the wires. Just say that none of the wires fit properly. Don't open you'reself up to &quot;you messed up the wires&quot;[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
what about my sudjestion

[ChopstickHero]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Bumble G @ Oct. 17 2002,4:10)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I don't know about the </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">We ordered twenty-five (25) sets of 2.0L ignition wires and of these sets, all of them had to be modified

They may say you voided thier warrenty by modifying the wires. Just say that none of the wires fit properly. Don't open you'reself up to &quot;you messed up the wires&quot;
what about my sudjestion<span id='postcolor'>[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
i hear what you're saying, but this emphasizes the important point that they don't fit properly and goes to show how shoddy their quality is.

[gujustud]

Good so i'm not the only one.

Admin from the Vancouver club here, check out my super time I've been having with my wires:

http://www.mpsport.net/forums/read.php?TID=465

And just for the record, its been close to a month now, and I STILL don't have my wires from them yet. What a waste of $130 bucks... I'm writing them a letter today as well asking for a refund, and THEY can pay for the shipping.

[KingKong]

Are you getting special wires or something??? We only paid $60.00!!!!

Alright, haven't experienced any problems yet except that I get that horrible noise you hear when your engine is colded even when it's warm periodibally...

Is everyone gonna take them off and replace with the factory ones for now???

And what's this Sparkco Peter guy talking about...&quot;Designed that way&quot;...My butt...Designed so they can fall out whenever, designed so moisture can get in to stop the car from starting!

[Bumble G]

This is almost starting to sound like a safety hazzard.

Imagine you loose ignition while driving. the engine sputters or stalls.
what if you're on the highway?
what if you're turning left infront of traffic?
what if you can't stop cause you're brakes become non power assist when the engine stalls?

If I were you guys/gals I would rip those wires off my engine RIGHT NOW. Is it worth the risk???

[CarDemon]

Becareful with the reference and disgrace to the name Michael or Mike. On this board there is me, the Shaolin Honor Monk Michael Bryant.

..And then there is Mike Law, or is it Mike UNLAWFUL. http://msg.toprotege.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

[ChopstickHero]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (CarDemon @ Oct. 17 2002,6:49)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Becareful with the reference and disgrace to the name Michael or Mike. On this board there is me, the Shaolin Honor Monk Michael Bryant.

..And then there is Mike Law, or is it Mike UNLAWFUL. http://msg.toprotege.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
cardemon, you're a brave soul .... but nobody makes fun of my name. we shall meet at dawn and square off for our final combat ... your shaolin style vs my drunken fist!

[jali-p5]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (ChopstickHero @ Oct. 17 2002,4:06)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">dave &amp; jean:  you guys are bastards[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
hey man-whore.......what's w/ the name calling?? i thought we were all better than that! come on man......get off of that cheap mexican tequilla...........here (http://www.alcoholics-anonymous.org/) let me help you out......... http://msg.toprotege.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sly.gif

[CarDemon]

At last a true duel between TPC members in the old fashion way of combat.

In my Shaolin nature as always, I will not throw the first few strikes or punches. Submissions will be honoured along with being unconscious is deemed a stoppage to the actual round(s).

Yes, there will be 7 rounds or falls of which each will be deemed a decisive winner by submission or knockout. After 7 rounds have been completed the person with the most wins will be victorious in a graceful manner.

Only after the 3rd round if there is profuse bleeding imparing the vision and health and safety of the bleeding participant the judges will go to the score cards and call the match by the tally.

And who are the judges?
They should consist of a 12 member panel 3 from each of the directional polarities.

May the best man win. http://msg.toprotege.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sly.gif

[Silvermp5]

PLEASE STOP FIGHTING and see my other post in this section

[gujustud]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (KingKong @ Oct. 17 2002,6:26)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Are you getting special wires or something??? We only paid $60.00!!!!

Alright, haven't experienced any problems yet except that I get that horrible noise you hear when your engine is colded even when it's warm periodibally...

Is everyone gonna take them off and replace with the factory ones for now???

And what's this Sparkco Peter guy talking about...&quot;Designed that way&quot;...My butt...Designed so they can fall out whenever, designed so moisture can get in to stop the car from starting![/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Not sure if you read my post in the other link, but I'll repost here, my problems with Sparkco: (Btw I paid more cuz I've got the 1.8L)

Well I called Peter today, because I didn't get a reply from my second email.

He (Peter from Sparkco) actually had another set of 1.8L come back as well, so they did more researching, and the plugs that go on the coils are not long enough, like the stock ones (manufacture defect). So they have redesigned the wires all together, and are sending me out a new set (new design) on thursday (Oct 10th). He says the plugs were not touching fully on the coils, which was causing the missfire.

The real gayness of this whole issue?

1) First told wires were $70. Put order in.
2) Misinformed, now told wires were $140.
3) Emailed Sparkco, explained situation, agree to sell for $130.
4) Spoke with Sparkco twice on the phone both times me calling. (In other words me paying long distance)
5) Sparkco will send me out a new set, but wants me to return the set I have, but I have to pay for shipping. Check with Canadapost, they want $12 bucks to send it, that I have to pay for.

Its been a week since he said they would ship the next set out, and still nothing. Personally they should refund my money, and let me keep the new wires (if they work) due to my having to go thru this trouble, and telling them about this problem.

[jali-p5]

WTF is wrong with all this SPARKCO s***..........do these MF not care that they have several unhappy customers or are they that f***ing arrogant that they think another group of suckers will buy their shaudy wires!! Everyone I talk to now will be informed of the crap that SPARKCO manufactures and I for one am boycotting their products because of their lack of customer appreciation and lack of customer service......i'm seriously pissed!!! and to think that Peter doesn't give a rats-ass about any of this only makes me more mad http://msg.toprotege.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif this is total bull http://msg.toprotege.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/bs.gif

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[ChopstickHero]

TOPIC CLOSED.... but go here if you want to know the solution:

http://msg.toprotege.com/cgi-bin....;t=2444 (http://msg.toprotege.com/cgi-bin/ikonboard.cgi?act=ST;f=4;t=2444)