Shannonville Sept 12

[hondakilla]

UNFORTUNATELY THE SHANNONVILLE EVENT HAS BEEN CANCELLED. ANOTHER GROUP BOOKED HALF OF THE TRACK THE DAY BEFORE I CALLED TO BOOK THE ENTIRE TRACK. THE "NELSON" TRACK IS AVAILABLE BUT THE SPEED SHOP I HAD BACKING THIS WILL NOT GO ALL THE WAY THERE TO RACE THE CRAPPY BOTTOM HALF OF THE TRACK AND NOR WILL I.

I APOLOGIZED FOR ANY INCONVENIENCE THIS HAS CAUSED ESPECIALLY TO THOSE WHO BOOKED TIME OFF OR HELPED PROMOTE THIS.

I WILL BE INQUIRING AS TOO HOW MANY PEOPLE I CAN BRING TO A LAPPING DAY IN OCTOBER WITH A GROUP THAT HAS ALREADY BOOKED THE TRACK....STAY TUNED FOR FURTHER DETAILS IN THE WEEKS TO COME.


-SCOT

[feedb4ck]

What would be the situation if we want to just come and watch - i mean, a fatass in a stock P5 isn't gonna tear anything up except the snack bar.

[rowan]

Whole day for $100? w00t!
Which track? The whole thing?

[taxmasta]

count me in for this one

and allow me to offer something to the ppl who might not wanna show up.....

the biggest thing is a chance to beat me.... cuz im slow

and then a 24 pack of poweraid and a poweraid jacket to the fastest "na" car. compliments of your prez tax

also the slowest car can get one of the cleaning products from dave wood mazda as i have a window cleaner so u can tell the difference between the green and the red on the tree... or some detailer so that your can can glide around the track all day nice and shiny or some wheel cleaner i think i got one of them too

oh yea a tpc t shirt for second and 3rd place

[rowan]

Hmm .. Madshrap makes a good point.

What is the policy with passengers?

I am sure there are people who may enjoy some ride-alongs for a few laps even if they don't want do put their own car to the test.

[Darkerlight]

I would like to come, I have a stock car though. I just want to test myself, driving skill wise, so I can improve. Basically compete against myself.

I have never been to one of these things, but meeting Tax makes me feel a bit more comfortable now to actually try it and see if I like it.

Is that cool with you folk? If so I am in, mark me down and tell me when you need the coin for it.

Mind you with vinyl 'TYPE R' seat covers, I might have the edge I need to whoop you.

[KDawgONE]

*FYI: This MAY become the official September event*

Just some Q's:
-$100/person? or for the club?
-cost for watching? (as I wont be racing)
-approximate how much time? (all day? at night? etc)


Post the details and PM me aswell....

[superdave]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (KDawgONE @ Aug. 09 2003,11:08)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">-$100/person? or for the club?[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Per person.

I'm in if I can get the day off work. I'll finish off my Azenis there! http://msg.toprotege.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[Action Jackson]

I guess there's no chance to use the Fabi or Nelson road course is there?

[hondakilla]

Wow,

Glad to see so much iterest! I will try to answer some questions:

-$100 per person approx (depends on # of participants.)

-Ride alongs are cool but the passenger needs a helmet

-If you are coming but not racing.........I will have to see if this becomes an &quot;official event&quot;.  If it does then I will have to talk to the officers about that.

-as for the track layout...I know them as the &quot;Pro&quot; and &quot;Standard&quot; layouts so I will have to get back to you on that

-this will probably be an early morning departure from here so that we can maximize our track time and allow for &quot;set up&quot; before we race. I am flirting with the idea of two pre-meets.......one for the early birds and one later on in the AM at least after rush hour. More info on this to come....
I know many people have lots more questions so I ask that you be patient as the officers make there decisions and the final details are ironed out.  I will try my best to answer as many questions as possible.

Note: This is open to every club member...new or old, experienced or rookie it doesn't matter just come out and have fun and enjoy your Protege to the fullest.  Don't be intimidated by the fact that more experienced drivers will be there....they know what they are doing and not only will they respect you for showing up but they will give you tons of helpful tips as well!

[Mike_Moss]

I'm THERE!

[hondakilla]

Thought you might be interested in this one Mike!!! I have to admit....you AutoX guys are really coming through on this one! I just hope that I get the numbers that I need.

[superdave]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (hondakilla @ Aug. 12 2003,04:01)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Thought you might be interested in this one Mike!!! I have to admit....you AutoX guys are really coming through on this one! I just hope that I get the numbers that I need.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
If we don't get the numbers here, I'm sure we can extend the search a bit (rx-7 guys, maybe more autocrossers). Pleas hurry with the details. I'm excited and want to book the day off work! http://msg.toprotege.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[rowan]

Hopefully we can get a few more things worked out tomorrow night at Cayuga. hehehe

[MazdaSpeed161]

I'll go too! Can I bring a Talon and a Type-R?

We've kinda got a score to settle..... This would be a great opportunity.

[hondakilla]

I suggest that anyone who is interested please book the time off now instead of waiting until the last minute. Anyone in the club is welcome and to get the numbers I will even suggest that friends are welcome as well!

As for what car you can run.......thats totally up to you.  Although I would love to see only Proteges there I will not regulate what cars are coming.  You are paying for the use of the track and its not my decision as to what you bring.  My goal is and always will be to have FUN first and never sweat the small stuff.

Hell....I might even bring my Talon as well as my P5!

I will ask other boards to come ONLY if I feel the club won't be able to make a big enough showing.  If this is to be an &quot;official event&quot; then it doesn't seem appropriate to bring in other boards to support it unless absolutely neccessary.  Thanx for the idea though.....I have considered that route as well.


Keep the feedback coming!

[mp5lb]

I'll try to make this one, although, I don't really have the money for it... So hurry up everyone, come out and take part. The more the merrier, and more people = less money!!! http://msg.toprotege.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/thumbs-up.gif

[Myk]

Should it not be $100 per CAR, I don;t think people will pay a C note to just watch.

If it was per vehicle, then I believe more will attend, as they might have a friend or someone to tkae allong, who wants to come but not pay the $100.

I'm sure my wife would love to take my car for a shag, but she wouldn't pay just to come up for one spin.

Also, did you mention our time slot, all day...meaning...all day?

Also, isn't Shanonville a 1/8th mile?

[Mike_Moss]

MYK, i think you should go through this thread and re-read it...all your questions are answered here.

[Myk]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (mike_moss @ Aug. 18 2003,12:34)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">MYK, i think you should go through this thread and re-read it...all your questions are answered here.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Actually, I doesn't...jerk! http://msg.toprotege.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

I know the postings say $100 per PERSON, but I was suggesting that it should be per CAR, as it might get more people out who want to bring someone, as I said. I also know that this is not up to us, but up to the people who run/rent the track.

Also, nothing is said about time.  I know early AM is usually too early for me, but I was wondering when do we have to give up the track.  I've been to a few bike events there, and they ended somewhat early.

[Mike_Moss]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Myk @ Aug. 18 2003,1:13)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I know the postings say $100 per PERSON, but I was suggesting that it should be per CAR, as it might get more people out who want to bring someone, as I said.  I also know that this is not up to us, but up to the people who run/rent the track.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
I believe Scot means is that it's $100 per RACER.  He hasn't put up a price (if there is one) for spectators.  If you're bringing one car and two drivers, then thats pritty ghetto...bring two cars or wait until more info is given out.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Myk @ Aug. 18 2003,1:13)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Also, nothing is said about time.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
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[rowan]

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Myk:
I know early AM is usually too early for me,but I was wondering when do we have to give up the track
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hondakilla:
I am flirting with the idea of two pre-meets.......one for the early birds and one later on in the AM at least after rush hour
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[Myk]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (mike_moss @ Aug. 18 2003,1:52)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">If you're bringing one car and two drivers, then thats pritty ghetto...bring two cars or wait until more info is given out.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
I wasn't trying to pull a scam, what I means was that my wife would come out to watch for the most part, and I'm sure she would like to go out for a try, but not expect to pay $100.

When it said $100 per person, I thought it meant, per person, not per racer.

All I know is, they need to build a Tim's closer to the track for those early races.....

[Mike_Moss]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Myk @ Aug. 18 2003,3:09)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I wasn't trying to pull a scam, what I means was that my wife would come out to watch for the most part, and I'm sure she would like to go out for a try, but not expect to pay $100.

When it said $100 per person, I thought it meant, per person, not per racer.

All I know is, they need to build a Tim's closer to the track for those early races....[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Either way you should...
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (mike_moss @ Aug. 18 2003,1:52)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">...wait until more info is given out.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>

[7plymaple]

I would like to be in for this. But I dont know what Im going to do about tires. I should be in... Bah Im in! http://msg.toprotege.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif http://msg.toprotege.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/thumbs-up.gif

[Lafora]

i wanna join

but me gots no hardhat http://msg.toprotege.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif

[7plymaple]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Lafora @ Aug. 19 2003,6:43)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">i wanna join

but me gots no hardhat  http://msg.toprotege.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
I have an extra helmet that anyones welcome to use. http://msg.toprotege.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/thumbs-up.gif

[Lafora]

http://msg.toprotege.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/blush.gif my melon's kinda big.
XXL helmet size i think it was http://msg.toprotege.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif http://msg.toprotege.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/dontgetit.gif
http://msg.toprotege.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/dontgetit.gif tried XL and the top of my head was being squished to the point where i felt like it was going to implode

[Logan]

This sounds like crazy fun, but I want to save my holidays!

hmmm

Must come up with legitimate alternative for not being at work.....

[7plymaple]

We should get an attendance list posted up in this thread. And only people who are sure their schedules have no conflicts and are totally into comming post up that they are attending.

Im sure hondakilla needs numbers as soon as possible and we all want to know what the numbers are looking like. So everyone who wants in post up &quot;confirmed&quot;! Sept 12th is not far off!

[YP5 Toronto]

I'm IN!!!! 1/4 fun! Frances wants to come to.

[Mike_Moss]

CONFIRMED!!!

[7plymaple]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Lafora @ Aug. 19 2003,7:14)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">http://msg.toprotege.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/blush.gif  my melon's kinda big.  
XXL helmet size i think it was  http://msg.toprotege.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif  http://msg.toprotege.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/dontgetit.gif
http://msg.toprotege.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/dontgetit.gif  tried XL and the top of my head was being squished to the point where i felt like it was going to implode[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Yikes! Sorry my helmet is only a medium but I always bring it to every event just in case someone needs it.

[Manitou]

Hey Guys, I'm in... i live in belleville so it's only a 20 min drive for me http://msg.toprotege.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif Hope to see a large crowd there, and lets see some more 1ST GEN'S...i hate bein the only one http://msg.toprotege.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/thumbs-up.gif

[Mike_Moss]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Manitou @ Aug. 22 2003,12:40)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">...lets see some more 1ST GEN'S...i hate bein the only one[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
AWWWWWWWWW YEA!!!!

[superdave]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (mike_moss @ Aug. 22 2003,12:47)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Manitou @ Aug. 22 2003,12:40)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">...lets see some more 1ST GEN'S...i hate bein the only one[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
AWWWWWWWWW YEA!!!![/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
YE YE!
REPRESENT!

uh. I'm confirmed. I ask my boss today for sept 12th off and she didn't even ask why; just a day off work, not a holiday. wicked. http://msg.toprotege.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif I'm SO there!

[Sky_high]

Awe-Man, September 12th is a Friday... I have to work! Wait...I am going to have to do something to go to this event. Will let you know closer to the date if I can go or not!

[KDawgONE]

This is now the OFFICIAL September event!
http://msg.toprotege.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/thumbs-up.gif

[Lafora]

so when do we pay and stuff http://msg.toprotege.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

gonna try to score a helmet w/i the next 2 weeks

[silver_P5]

So I guess this is a early in the morning thing on a friday? I have to work but I would come up after work if everyone is still there. I finish at 3:00pm I would only come to watch this time as I don't feel like paying 100 if I'm showing up that late.

[hondakilla]

Before anyone confirms please check my original post for changes.......keep posting questions and opinions please.

I will be at the picnic to clear up some questions for you guys as well....and a few of my own!

[P5dude]

i dunno if anyone has mentioned it yet..but does it cost anything if you are just there to watch?

cheers,
http://msg.toprotege.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/thumbs-up.gif

[hondakilla]

KDawg and myself have not yet decided if &quot;spectators&quot; will have to pay or not. My focus right now is getting at least 10 people to confirm on racing....if I don't get that then this event will NOT happen. As soon as I have the 10 confirmed then I will post about the cost if any per spectator.

[Mike_Moss]

Well you'd only need about 9 confirmed racers if you charged $5-$10 for about 15-20 spectators. http://msg.toprotege.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

[KDawgONE]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (mike_moss @ Aug. 25 2003,12:53)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Well you'd only need about 9 confirmed racers if you charged $5-$10 for about 15-20 spectators.  http://msg.toprotege.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
LOL...sooooo true!

[Darkerlight]

Quick Question how does insurance companies look upon track racing? Is an accident on the track covered? Or does the track offer coverage?
Also does anyone have or know if I can borrow a helmet or rent a helmet for the day (promise not to wear hair products http://msg.toprotege.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif )?

Sorry n00bing out again.

Hondakilla you coming out to n00bie meet 2.5 this saturday? I can either collect for you there or give you my cash there also. &lt;EDIT N00bie 2.5 is Cancelled&gt;

[EYT]

the track DOES NOT cover any damage. as far as insurance,... is how are u going to tell them..

well, track is very safe. i never saw car rollover. but saw accident..

[rowan]

You're basically on your own for insurance .. I would not think the chances of them covering an on-track incident is likely although it has been done before. But it's easy enough to stay out of trouble. Drive within your limits and don't try to show off.

[Logan]

What Rowan said.
If you screw up, be prepared to pay, or not drive until you can save up enough to fix/buy new car.
It's this information that usually keeps people within their limits.
There is track insurance, but it is liability insurance, it does not cover damage to your personal property.

[Logan]

It looks like I may be able to weasel my way out of work this day. I don't know for sure yet though.

Since I'm not in TO, how do I work the money-changing-hands deal if I can get the day off?

[superdave]

Ok I filled out the paper work at work today for the day off. So I'm there.

Anyone know of a tire store or somewhere that I can get my tires changed while in shannonville? I want to cord my current tires, and then slap on a new set before i do the 3 hour trek home. http://msg.toprotege.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[Steve89GTA]

The Pro track is regarded as the go kart track.

Either way, I think it will be fun...and the top speeds tend to be lower on this.
I've been a member here for a while but haven't been to any of the meets or haven't paid any membership fees.

Can I still bring out my P5 for this event?
Let me know...

Steve

[Logan]

I saw somewhere in here a post regarding the length of the track as 1km.
I measured the course from the solo this past sunday in Bracebridge, it was approx. 800 metres (as close the the car ODO tells me).

Seems like a small track????

[Sky_high]

Scott,

Will you allow a friend of mine from the Grand Am Club to participate in your event? He is looking forward to testing out his car.

[Logan]

I've never been to shannonville.
Has anyone actually seen the pro track before?
What kind of speeds are we talking about?  What kind of lap times?

Edit:
Have a look here (http://www.shannonville.com/maps.htm) for the course maps etc. You will note that the Pro Track also uses the drag strip, so we wont be able to run drags and lapping at the same time. Pro is 2.4something km in length, looks like lots of fun! Also there is plenty of runoff room at the end of the long straight if you miss your braking point. Too bad this map doesn't show elevation.

[sjdmp5]

I'll come out to spectate and bring the video camera, but I don't know about driving. Although I know I'll get there and wish I signed up to drive.

[Lafora]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Logan @ Aug. 27 2003,11:37)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I've never been to shannonville.
Has anyone actually seen the pro track before?
What kind of speeds are we talking about?  What kind of lap times?

Edit:
Have a look here (http://www.shannonville.com/maps.htm) for the course maps etc.  You will note that the Pro Track also uses the drag strip, so we wont be able to run drags and lapping at the same time.  Pro is 2.4something km in length, looks like lots of fun!  Also there is plenty of runoff room at the end of the long straight if you miss your braking point.  Too bad this map doesn't show elevation.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
at the end of the back straight, u'r looking at about 130-140 km/h on street tires before making that 3rd gear turn.

might be faster if you're running R compounds cuz you can exit that hairpin a wee bit faster.

i'm just guessing here for your car but that's what i usually see out of all hte times i've been there.

[Manitou]

I was there on monday for the pay/lap and they use the &quot;long&quot; track. it uses the drag strip too, loads of fun. Ya I hit about 160 on the straight before the corner.. i worked my way up from 80km/h into the turn and by the 5th lap i tried it at 140 lost the back end &quot;oversteer&quot; and put it into the grass. No harm done, its a great track to learn your limits on as long as you watch the people around you.
I'll be there all day friday for sure.

[hondakilla]

THIS EVENT HAS BEEN CANCELLED. PLEASE REFER TO ORIGINAL POST FOR MORE DETAILS. SORRY FOR ANY INCONVENIENCE.

[rowan]

Well, shit.

Now that everyone has the day off .... is TMP available? haha

[superdave]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (rowan @ Aug. 28 2003,2:18)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Well, shit.

Now that everyone has the day off .... is TMP available? haha[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
I also bought tires for this event. http://msg.toprotege.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/baaa.gif

[Lafora]

usually something like this was bound to happen if the track wasn't booked to begin with. not ranting, just stating some facts.

i remember last year when my friends and i booked a track before we got payment and man did we take a HUGE hit...

surely didn't wanna see it happen to the organizer here but i guess w/ that comes the reality that the day wouldn't be set in stone for the event

oh well, hope there's something else in late sept / oct http://msg.toprotege.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[7plymaple]

No worries Hondakilla! Keep us posted on the next possible one!

[Sentra Racer 7]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Lafora @ Aug. 27 2003,5:58)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I've never been to shannonville.
Has anyone actually seen the pro track before?
What kind of speeds are we talking about? What kind of lap times?

Edit:
Have a look here (http://www.shannonville.com/maps.htm) for the course maps etc. You will note that the Pro Track also uses the drag strip, so we wont be able to run drags and lapping at the same time. Pro is 2.4something km in length, looks like lots of fun! Also there is plenty of runoff room at the end of the long straight if you miss your braking point. Too bad this map doesn't show elevation.<span id='postcolor'>
at the end of the back straight, u'r looking at about 130-140 km/h on street tires before making that 3rd gear turn.

might be faster if you're running R compounds cuz you can exit that hairpin a wee bit faster.

i'm just guessing here for your car but that's what i usually see out of all hte times i've been there.[/quote]
I was hitting 140km/h at the end of the Fabi straight (braking just past the 100m marker) in the pouring rain. should get a bit more speed in the dry. Good lap time in the dry, around a 1:25:00, my car got a 1:35:00 in the rain.
I'll be on it again for the final Solo I event at the end of Sept. Hopefully it will be dry!
Oh and don't worry about the map not showing elevation...there isn't any, the track is pretty much flat.
You can find some lap times here:
http://www.wiredmotorsports.com/soloont....13and14 (http://www.wiredmotorsports.com/soloontario/so-results.asp?type=o&year=2002&event=s13and14)
they are from an event last year (solo I) in the dry...these are mostly street cars...time is in minutes...eg 75:00:00 means 1 minute 15 seconds