Buying an "As-is" car

[midnitehour]

How does it work with buying an as-is car?

do you still get the same type of documents as you would with a cert and safety car?

once the car is repaired how do you go about on getting it on the road?

thanks

[ejaz89]

just get to the person to sign the ownership..
after that just go to the minisitry.. notify your insurance..

get new plates..with temporary stickers..and in that time.. u gotta get ur safety and emissions done.

[mazda_gurl]

Doesnt AS IS usually mean safety and e-testing has not been done? Thats how it has been in my experience but I also havent looked at alot of As Is vehicles while I was in the market.

If you buy as is and its not saftied, then the ministry gives you a temp permit until the safety is complete.

[TheMAN]

"as is" simply means, NO WARRANTY EXPRESSED OR IMPLIED
it does not mean anything else and does not mean the car is a lemon

you buy it, if the bumper falls off the back of the car a block later, it's YOUR problem

[cruisinblackp5]

look over th ecar thoroughly. If its as is, theres a reason they are selling it that way as its a lot cheaper. You might be buying something that isnt worth it to fix, even if you are the labour. Basically just means no cert or emmisions but cert might be a lot, may have frame damage, or just safety crap like bulbs and windshield crack or non working driver window. Emissions crap is pretty cheap if the car is a good deal. AS-where is, is kinda shitty. transfer ownership, got to ministry for a 10day (i believe you can get 2 total per car), fix er up, plate er and drive er to WESTSIDE so we can all laugh at your lemon HAHA jk. see if you can take the car for a cert before buying, it may be worth the hundred bucks to see whats wrong

[kevcol74]

Private and As is, as mentioned, implies no warranty... well, maybe a 2-2-2 warranty (2 feet, 2 seconds, 2 f'n bad) cert and e-test will likely be up to you to get. A temp is only available from the ministry if the car is listed as "Fit" on the ownership, otherwise you'll be towing it if you want to be legal. Also, be sure to get the Used Vehicle Information Package (UVIP) from the owner. If they tell you the car is cheap, get it yourself, tell them its their LEGAL responsibility to provide it. It makes usre the "as is" vehicle has no leins. If it has a lein, make sure you get in writing that they will take care of the lein, or walk away!
I tend to buy my cars as is, I can safety it alot cheaper than they can in most case, usually drops the price $500 or more, and I have yet to spend more than $200 to fix and cert one... (and I'm pretty sure most are aware that I have had a few cars....)
Good luck, and don't be afraid to bring a second set of eyes to look at it, sometimes an unbiased set of eyes really helps!

[Andre Diego]

Toronto Auto Dealer in Scarborough is a scam... warning!!!
My girlfriend bought a 2004 Mazda 6 in Feb. 2010 and May 10, 2010. Eninge died... She tooked it to three different mechinicals and it's the eninge, it's done and plus they notice a few weird things about the vehicle that is that the front panel has been change and that the vehilce is from the USA, the gauge panel should been in miles and it's on KMs for Canada.
Just letting you guys know.
Also always ask for HISTORY SHEET for the vehicle.
They didn't give it to her, just shown a piece of paper that shows/says that the vehilce has never been in no accidents.

[nautical_lifens]

i bought my p5 from a dealer "as is" turns out i didnt need a thing and they e tested it for me... Best deal i got in a long time

[ProBoy]

As Is can mean many things, usually some minor repairs or major ones. Or just some TLC.

Just be prepared to spend some money if that is the way it comes.

Certified with ETest doesn't mean it is a prize piece either. A car can be certified and Etested, but also a piece of crap at the same time.


Buying As Is without certification means it is not road worthy and must pass the checks and certifications. Until then your car is "Unfit" when you change the ownership over and plate it.

"Unfit" means you cannot drive it unless a mechanic is doing so with his plates as a result of repairs and test drive.

"Unfit" means if you are caught driving it, with or without plates, and with insurance still, means "Unsafe Motor Vehicle" and the same charge added by the courts.



Just know what you are getting. As Is doesn't readily mean stay away.

[Junior]

As-is where-is is the worst though.

(Nice one Mark)

[CE02P5]

Toronto Auto Dealer in Scarborough is a scam... warning!!!
My girlfriend bought a 2004 Mazda 6 in Feb. 2010 and May 10, 2010. Eninge died... She tooked it to three different mechinicals and it's the eninge, it's done and plus they notice a few weird things about the vehicle that is that the front panel has been change and that the vehilce is from the USA, the gauge panel should been in miles and it's on KMs for Canada.
Just letting you guys know.
Also always ask for HISTORY SHEET for the vehicle.
They didn't give it to her, just shown a piece of paper that shows/says that the vehilce has never been in no accidents.

Your Girl freind should call OMVIC and complain... Look on the Bill of Sale and see if it was disclosed as a US vehicle... New regulations for car dealers stated in january and they are supposed to disclose that to you. She really has nothing to lose by calling OMVIC...

[SKY]

Never trust used car dealer, they always claim their cars are never in accident. I watched a TV show, a dealer mention that the car is only involved in a small car accident and bumper replaced.....they bring an inspector and found out that the car was cut in half, but everything looks mint. Horrible.

[vtec-this]

a good idea when buying any car as-is

offer to pay for the safety. they will say it will fail, you say thats fine i just want to know exactly what it needs to be safetied. get the safety report, buy the car. fix what is needed. bring back to mech who did the safety before you bought. if you are lucky they wont even charge you to pass it after reviewing the repairs.

this way you dont get yourself into trouble. if they find big problems with the car you just dont buy it and you are out the cost of the safety test. a much better idea than buying something that you have no idea about.

[Proteggy]

I just bought my mp3 "as is" yesterday he had the emissions done in January and is valid for one year when selling the vehicle i got him to right up a receipt and he signed the ownership over to me i brought that to the ministry today i had to buy the used car package because it was not included with the sale that costs $20 and i paid tax on the purchase price and i got a temporary i then got it certified and now i just need to go back to the ministry and get my plate sticker and they change the title of the vehicle to "fixed" instead of "temporary". when buying as is find the black book value of the car and pay a bank draft to the person of that much and then the rest in cash to save on paying in taxes if the asking price is more then blackbook value. Have a mechanic or friend look the car over and test drive it when buying as is.

[kevcol74]

I just bought my mp3 "as is" yesterday he had the emissions done in January and is valid for one year when selling the vehicle i got him to right up a receipt and he signed the ownership over to me i brought that to the ministry today i had to buy the used car package because it was not included with the sale that costs $20 and i paid tax on the purchase price and i got a temporary i then got it certified and now i just need to go back to the ministry and get my plate sticker and they change the title of the vehicle to "fixed" instead of "temporary". when buying as is find the black book value of the car and pay a bank draft to the person of that much and then the rest in cash to save on paying in taxes if the asking price is more then blackbook value. Have a mechanic or friend look the car over and test drive it when buying as is.

Its changed to "FIT", not "fixed" There are 3 status for the ownership now,TEMP, FIT, UNF (Unfit)

a good idea when buying any car as-is

offer to pay for the safety. they will say it will fail, you say thats fine i just want to know exactly what it needs to be safetied. get the safety report, buy the car. fix what is needed. bring back to mech who did the safety before you bought. if you are lucky they wont even charge you to pass it after reviewing the repairs.

this way you dont get yourself into trouble. if they find big problems with the car you just dont buy it and you are out the cost of the safety test. a much better idea than buying something that you have no idea about.

They can\t legally charge you for a recheck within 36 days of the initial saety, it has nothing to do with luck. If you've been charged for a recheck, you got scammed.

[Proteggy]

sorry couldnt remember i thought she said fixed but fit sounds right i got everything done i just need to go show the ministry my cert and e-test

[kevcol74]

^ BTW, you should never have had to buy the UVIP, its the seller's responsibility AND legal obligation to do so.... The MTO's don't usually care as they are mostly independantly owned and operated, so they make money off the transaction regardless. Just an FYI for next time!

[Proteggy]

ya i no its sellers responsibility but for him to get it i would have gotten the car a week later so i said i would get it

[ProBoy]

Its changed to "FIT", not "fixed" There are 3 status for the ownership now,TEMP, FIT, UNF (Unfit)

The fourth one is "Salvage".

[Cool_Steve]

Going through some old notes for buying an "as is" car, when I got my 929 in 2006. I'm sure I've already repeated what others have said...

-Sign ownership over, make bill of sale, etc.
-Car must be towed (or hey old owner can drive it there, whatever) to garage where safety can be done, safety lasts 36 days.
-Get insurance for the car. If the car is over 20 years old, it may need to be appraised and looked at before insurance excepts it.
-Now that you have safety/valid insurance, you and get a temp sticker. You used to be able to get four of them per year at $15 and they lasted for ten days...but that was with the old paper ones.
-While getting temp sticker, you can register the car with the safety. Car will now be seen as fit, safety will no longer expire after 36 days.
-Now that you got a temp sticker/plates, you can get the car e-tested. If its older than 1987, forgetaboutit. Test is good for one year for transferring.
-Now that the car is e-tested, you can buy your year sticker (sense you already got plates with that stupid 'T' sticker on them).

When going to the MTO make sure you have...
-safety papers
-e-test papers
-car registration
-proof of insurance
-your drivers license

When I bought a beater I knew I'd only be driving around for a week...

-Previous owner signs ownership, but don't put car in your name.
-Make a bill of sale with date, within six days of that date on the bill of sale, get a temp sticker (you could still do this two years ago with the paper plates, I could still get a paper plate within six days under the old owner but with my insurance)
-For temp sticker: insurance, kms, ownership, your license, etc.
-Never had to buy used vehicle package, car never went into my name.

When I got my 929 back then at 16 years old, it had lots of new parts from the previous owner and needed NOTHING to safety...

...well, its only fault was holes in the floor like swiss cheese, but that was the car's only fault! It still was a low k granny car that still today looks mint. :)

[MarkHarris]

Its changed to "FIT", not "fixed" There are 3 status for the ownership now,TEMP, FIT, UNF (Unfit)



They can\t legally charge you for a recheck within 36 days of the initial saety, it has nothing to do with luck. If you've been charged for a recheck, you got scammed.

Rechecks have to be done within 10 days by the same technician who did the safety inspection to begin with... prices are set by the facility for those services.

Safety certificate once issued is valid for 36 days.

[TheMAN]

so much bullshit just to buy/sell cars in ontario
it's so easy down here
sign title, sign & fill out title transfer form (both parties must do so), go to tax office, get the shit transferred if the tags and inspection are current
otherwise, go get inspected (just simple "safety" and emissions test for less than 25 year old cars), then bring proof of inspection to get new registration sticker

DONE

[kevcol74]

The fourth one is "Salvage".

What about the 5th? "Irrepairable"...lol

[kevcol74]

Rechecks have to be done within 10 days by the same technician who did the safety inspection to begin with... prices are set by the facility for those services.

Safety certificate once issued is valid for 36 days.

That depends on where you go. I took over 2 weeks with my van, and they had no problem, no charge for the recheck. And yes, it does have to be done by the same mechanic. And yes, the safety is valid for 36 days for title transfer/updating.

[cruisinblackp5]

True. I took 2 weeks, which was actually the full 14 days to come back on a safety check. Same shop, different tech though. It may be honour betwee. Mechs?

[ProBoy]

What about the 5ht? "Irrepairable"...lol

Those one's go to Quebec via auction, get repaired, and then are sold here in Ontario again.

No joke.

[vtec-this]

They can\t legally charge you for a recheck within 36 days of the initial saety, it has nothing to do with luck. If you've been charged for a recheck, you got scammed.

i was referring to being over the 36. any car i buy is on the road within a few days ;)

[cruisinblackp5]

Those one's go to Quebec via auction, get repaired, and then are sold here in Ontario again.

No joke.


True and on a Quebec car you can not get a temp permit. Been there and done that.

[ProBoy]

I used to have a 1993 Ford Ranger Splash 4x4. Got it in 1995 or so. Got hit by a lady on the 401 and written off.

A few years ago I wa doing a course at work related to VIN tracking and we used some of our own information. I tracked that truck. It sat as "Salvage" for two years than picked up by someone then went to Quebec.

It was then sold to a used car dealership and then went to a privae person back in Ontario as "Rebuilt".


"Rebuilt" is another one of the terms.

[kevcol74]

I used to have a 1993 Ford Ranger Splash 4x4. Got it in 1995 or so. Got hit by a lady on the 401 and written off.

A few years ago I wa doing a course at work related to VIN tracking and we used some of our own information. I tracked that truck. It sat as "Salvage" for two years than picked up by someone then went to Quebec.

It was then sold to a used car dealership and then went to a privae person back in Ontario as "Rebuilt".


"Rebuilt" is another one of the terms.

ISn't there a difference though? Under "BRAND: xxxxxx" you can have "None", "Salvage", Irrepairable" and "Rebuilt", under a different heading there is "Fit", "UNF"(unfit) and "Temp" on the ownership....

But yes, that Quebec thing is a concern, from what I understand Downsview sells ALOT of cars from Quebec.

[ProBoy]

The "Status" of the car is one of those.

"Temp" refers to the plated portion of the ownership. Sort of an underhanded way to get around fixing something and driving it.

"Temp" will be on the licence plate Val Tag when a check is done.

So you can have a "Temp" and "Unfit" at the same time.

[Superbrowndude]

Geezus Thread revival !

Hey fellas,Im new to the Mazda community.Im picking up my MP5 next week and I have a few questions for ya.

Im paying 2,700 Cert & E-tested.

It has 210,000kms on it. What should I be looking out for besides rust.

He didn't have any service records on the timing belt,and its the stock clutch. Did I buy someone else's problems ? The car drove ok .

The rear wiper blade doesn't work,the ABS/Parking brake light is also on the dash as well.
Will the car pass safety with this stuff ?

[e2wJunglist]

If the ABS and Parking light are both on you're brakes need servicing so no it wont pass safety.

I'd talk down the price on this. Over 200k and needs brake work the car is pretty much worth half that.

[Superbrowndude]

Im assuming that he will be doing that work,he said he was going to cert the car and stuff. How about the rear wiper blade thing ?

[BLACKK03]

Im assuming that he will be doing that work,he said he was going to cert the car and stuff. How about the rear wiper blade thing ?

I'm pretty sure that won't affect safety, i know the front wipers HAVE to work to pass, but seeing as not all cars have a rear wiper, i think it's Null.

[kevcol74]

I'm pretty sure that won't affect safety, i know the front wipers HAVE to work to pass, but seeing as not all cars have a rear wiper, i think it's Null.

If its factory equipped, it must work. No grey area here, its black and white.