Payback Time! (pls Read)

[Teck]

Sorry that this is so long but its something that everyonw should know! and sorry if this topic is in the wrong place but i was not aloud to post in the other sections!!

"800 vehicles ticketed at Darknights Nationals 2003, in Markham last weekend - July 5 & 6"

Something needs to be done to stop this..... there were more police investment in darknights than in the holly jones murder... I am pasting this from our local forum www.limestonestreetscene.com which is a local Kingston board... if you're interested pass the information around... its' been posted on many other local forums around Ontario..

September 1st/2003 .

Lets rock the roads !!!

Lets Own the 401 for a day . Send the message to the community!!

No riot or rowdiness , no drunks , show offs , no reckless driving , no speeding , no taunting the police .

Just a few thousand united , respecting law abiding citizens , looking for relief from the police and the insurance industry for simply enjoying their motorcar . Modifications, performance upgrades , making your vehicle your own personal statement has been part of the automobile revolutio n since day one. Does a poor economy , a government looking for way to replace lost tax revenues to SARS , result in a whole culture of car enthusiasts to be penalized ? I'm suspicious of these intentions to make the roads safer . An 80 year old with a valid G license , poor vision , reduced reflexes , 2 ton , 385 hp. Mercedes Benz is more of a threat on the road than a 22 year old in perfect health driving a modified 140 hp Civic.

Sure , indeed , some of our enthusiast members have drawn some unwanted attention to the scene . But the need to punish us all in various means is simply unwarranted . I think a close look at the current performance scene ( all genres ) would as a matter of fact show that the greater number of enthusiasts are mature , courteous , responsible and particularly safe drivers. I would also say with confidence that the absolute majority of performance enhanced vehicles are as safe if not safer than the same stock vehicle and that the level of ma intenance and vehicle repair and correction is far greater than that of a driver with the stock equivalent.

I’m in the Labour Day Ride for Freedom to watch the back and rights of all enthusiasts . The police and the insurance industry cannot force these pressures and tickets onto a law abiding generation .

We love our cars not guns , we hang and talk up our rides , not flash gang sign and rumble . We share auto advice not drugs. We gather in groups peacefully as many do at community church .

There should be no crime in the love of man and machine . Yes obey the laws of the Highway Traffic Act as they are written and enforced .

Thumb up to all the supporters and the doers of our new cause . Safe roads yes !! Fair laws and fair interpretation yes !! Discriminatory charges and fines , outrageous insurance , police profiling of our culture has to STOP .

RESPECT to the individual and POWER to the motor sports enthusiasts community.

Drive to Freedom September 1 , 2003.

[KDawgONE]

Im one of those tickets (two actually):

$110 for not having the plate on my front bumper
$110 for my horn not working

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Now accepting donations, Please write to:

My Ass Is Too Poor to Pay, Officer!
c/o Kris Creed
RR#6
Woodstock, ON
N4S 7W1

If anyone seriously ends up sending dontations for the MAIPPO! fund, I will send you a tax receipt so that you can use it for an income tax write off!

(if everyone were to just send $2, I could pay off one ticket and get my bumper painted! )

[YP5 Toronto]

sorry..teck...for the joke above, but thank you for your post.

In all seriousness, I think if done correctly there may be a real opportunity to send a message to the public. but the key here is that it could easily backfire in a HORRIBLE way.

Could you provide more detailed information?

[ProBoy]

I can honestly say that it will back fire.

I know there is a vast majority of enthusiests, naming this club for example, where the members are responsible and very good to know.

But how many other "clubs" are there out there who accept membership from those that are trouble makers.

There is one in particular that I can think of as I used to frequent their board, and their vast membership were very questionable.

So these are the ones that will also attend in order to show support, but will also cause problems. It is this part of the car population that ruin it for everyone else.

Right now there is an image problem that needs o be dealt with if you are to be seen seriously in the public eye.

Clubs need to get their names out there in the public doing good things, with the assistance of the media.

Try that route instead. Trying to own the 401 will only make more targets for the police and tickets.

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Sorry, not a good comparison. I have very intimate knowledge of that case and the work that is going into that.


Good luck though.

[Teck]

i agree that really wasn't a good comparison, but i did not personal write this post. I just passed it on as a was asked to do! as you may or may not know i am a Member of NewTiburon.com and when i was asked to pass this on i automatic thought of you guys! because i have been reading these boards for awhile but i don't really post, and you guys seem to be really kownledgeable and responsible and in tune with what is going on out there. so i thought that you guys should know about this and if you want to join in Great! but if not that is cool too!!

hopefully only reputable and responsible car forum/clubs like NT.com and youselfs will receive this message!

[ProBoy]

I was going to get a Tiburon, but my head kept hitting the roof. Too bad though, very nice cars.

A mass movement does need to happen as it the problems are specific to sport compact cars and their owner's.

How many '78 Trans Ams do you see pulled over and being inspected?

PACER was on a good start, but then they dropped off the face of the earth. They may still be artound, but I never hear of them or how they are educating others.

Clubs have to do things like charity runs and the like and really get involved in the community in order to get their names out there.

Maybe all the clubs should get together and do this under one umbrella and have there names known as sponsors for their involvement.

I dont know, it will be hard.

Anyone with ideas?

[Johnny5]

I always had a crazy plan for some good press.

If you shut down the 401 either the locals or RCMP will have an issue with it in a big way, however(this is good)

What if we were to try and arrange something either at city hall or my choice Queens park? always press around and would be impossible to ignore!!!! the 401 would just piss off angry french truck drivers. just ask tax and ed http://msg.toprotege.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/crazy.gif

Again sorry but my two cents when not needed. But if I can help please let me know, this is something I firmly believe in! This has to stop it is getting out of control and causing profilling.

[Estogod]

Nice post very well put. Some thing should be done. I cant go to woodbine and 16 with out the cops telling us to leave. And all we are doing is talking and drinking coffee. I havent seen any dumb stuff go on there so i dont see the point to leave when there is nothing bad going on. http://msg.toprotege.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif http://msg.toprotege.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[Teck]

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We are not going to try and shut down the 401! that like you said would just make everyone angry, and people that never had a problem with us before will begain to have problems with us if you start to try and shut down roads!

All we want to down is get a lot (i mean) ALOT of tuners together and just drive down the highway! we don't not want to break any laws at all we just want to drive!


</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Nice post very well put. Some thing should be done. I cant go to woodbine and 16 with out the cops telling us to leave. And all we are doing is talking and drinking coffee. I havent seen any dumb stuff go on there so i dont see the point to leave when there is nothing bad going on. [/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>

I know what you mean man, isn't it rediculous! i personal do not see a problem with a bunch of guys and gals getting together in a closed empty parking lot to check out cars! its not like we are drinking, or smoking, or fighting, or do stupid things! we are just sitting around talking!

[macklum]

I dont believe the plan is to shut down the 401 ,but rather have enough cars to effect the movement of traffic . Ie ,imagine cars accross all the lanes doing the spped limit 100kph ,The back log would be unreal ,The only thing you could get a ticket for is impeading the progress of traffic ,this would be laughed out of court because this would say its ok to speed . To do this you would need alot of cars and serious rules of conduct as wellas the media help ,and only for a certian lengh of time .say a Friday afternoon before a long weekend . max exposure .

[Logan]

Even cruising at 110 or 120.

[glacs]

I work in the Performance Industry. I also have a relative who is a police officer with the Metro Toronto force. I know that he is a bit of a car nut as well and does not agree with most of the new rules and regulations that seem to be creating the problems. He does however have a job to do, and has a boss... I agree that the best course of action is to get all clubs together, involve the biggest and best of the Performance Shops stores and manufacturers, and get something going that would benefit a childrens charity. This will get maximum exposure with the public and media.

[Johnny5]

YES, that is a great idea.

If we do something that not only hinders motorists that feel we are a threat but benefit the unfortunate of our community, we will gain a great deal of exposure. This City has millions of funds, there must be one for supporrt against racing or to the families of people hurt and killed by racing.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">We are not going to try and shut down the 401! that like you said would just make everyone angry, and people that never had a problem with us before will begain to have problems with us if you start to try and shut down roads!

All we want to down is get a lot (i mean) ALOT of tuners together and just drive down the highway! we don't not want to break any laws at all we just want to drive!
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Ohhh,  OK (I was kinda tired when I read this last night) the idea is good, but when the highway can crawl at 30km anyways, who will really notice? I just think people will assume that it is regular traffic and not a peaceful protest. Could be good if we set up four meets in different parts of town and all drive 3 lanes wide to a central location with significance.

I am just offering advice to help gain MAX exposure will be given. I am tired of reading all the articles of how WE are all thugs and a menace to the roads.

[midnightp5]

If you ask me...nobody gives a shit about charity work. I am all for charity work, and I also do a bit of volunteer work myself, but nobody ever remember the good things you do (only the bad). If your going to do charity work, do it for the right reasons; don't use it as a smokescreen. You may get a 30 second mention on City pulse, but thats about it.

This is getting ridiculous....You would think that they would be happy with the ~$10 000 000 the Government makes each year on taxing car accessories and modifications, but noooo. What they want now is to ticket people whom which they have already made a mint on in the first place taxing them!
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Fek 'em

I say slow up the traffic like the truckers did a few years ago. That got some exposure.




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[Estogod]

At this point iam game for anything thats helps us out but we just got to do it right and try not to make it a bigger problem. http://msg.toprotege.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif http://msg.toprotege.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[ken]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (ProBoy @ July 10 2003,10:22)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">...
How many '78 Trans Ams do you see pulled over and being inspected?
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How many '78 Trans Ams are still on the road? I'm sure in it's hayday Trans Am owners had the same kinds of beefs with the cops as we do today and I'll bet that most of them were responsible drivers just as most of us are. If you don't want a ticket, don't speed. It's that simple.

I usually don't speed, but when I do I am prepared to pay the penalty if I am caught - because I know that I am wrong for speeding. Everything else (being targeted by the cops because I fit into some stereotype, etc.) is after the fact.

As a general rule, cops don't *make up* charges - they give tickets to drivers breaking the law. That the police are selectively enforcing the law on car enthusiatsts I think is a valid concern that needs to be dealt with - but it doesn't change the fact that you shouldn't be breaking the law in the first place.

[Teck]

ill update you guys on any new info that i come across!

[Estogod]

I think what he is trying to say here is the cops dont pull over the old muscle cars. Because all i see driving them are older men not just 78 trans ams.
And on breaking the law if you do dumb stuff then fine you get a ticket. But when the cops bug you for doing nothing but talking to your friends in a parking lot as you drink a coffe have a smoke or what ever. We are not out there doing crimes we are just talk why is that so bad. Can someone tell me why if i owned a timmys why in the world would i call the cops and tell them to get all the cars out when iam making some fat coin when people show up. To me its wrong and the cops should do some real work and stop bugging us when we are doing nothing wrong. Thats how i feel on this and iam sure some of you do to and some dont to each there own. http://msg.toprotege.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif http://msg.toprotege.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif P.S And if my spelling messed up iam sorry fingers move to fast for my brain to keep up http://msg.toprotege.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif http://msg.toprotege.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

[Teck]

kinda off topic....but not really!

For anybody who got hassased at darknights, please click this link:
http://www.supraforums.com/showthread.php?s=&amp;threadid=132520 (http://www.supraforums.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=132520)

Kevin Yee (CEO of innovative Entertainment-AKA Darknights) is starting a lawsuit against the regions involved in ERACER that unfairly targeted the enthusiasts who went to darknights, or were stopped on the way to cayuga. Please contact him and share your story...