boosting the p5 questions...

[Thanu31]

Hey
Okay, Im curious, if a plan to put turbo in my p5 is affordable, and worth it.

I want to know, how much would it cost to get all the parts to do it?

And since i dont have the expertise to install alone, what would labour cost..

Thanks.

[MS MSP]

use the search button, please and thanks

[Thanu31]

lol i searched....but everything is scattered, no direct costs.

[CrazyCaker]

$$$. $3gs easily once all is said and done, and likely more.

[991.8l]

PM Kensai, he turbo'd his P5.

[CulRidr]

In terms of whether it is worth it or not, you would need to describe what you plan on doing with it. If it's simply for showing off, then it will be way too much hassle.

[Junior]

My summary.

Affordable?
Depends on what kind of coin you earn? That's a loaded question, IMO. If you're a student - no. If you got steady cash flow, then sure, why not?

Worth it?
Not the best platform for turbo, but feasible. If you're planning on huge gains, then it would be best to think about forging your internals. If you're only in it for the sound, then it's totally not worth it. If you're NOT planning on learning about your car and willing to TRY and install it yourself, then IMO, it's not worth it. You must avoid labour costs, cause besides the intall, the maintenance will be vital, and the cost will slowly add up.

How much?
It will depend on the setup. You have some options, but not a lot. If you're doing it on a budget, then consider a msp setup. (I've seen for $1500 used) If you're balling outta control - go full custom (upwards of 5 large)
Or if you're ballsy - HiBoost (made-to-order around 4 grand) - Labour is above and beyond those prices.

Labour Cost?
IMO save yourself some coin and DIY, but if you must pay someone, get ready to shell out heavy labour. I could see the cheapest (hook-up) running you about $750-$1200 for the install. If you're rebuiding even more.

Summary:
Consider the value of your car and what the latest mod will be? Is it worth it to you? Are you ready to come clean with your insurance in letting them know that you now have a boosted protege5, instead of a stock protege5? There's more things to consider than solely the cost and labour involved. If you're like some (me included) and don't mind taking the risk and getting your hands dirty. Then yes, it's worth it.

[CrazyCaker]

Should also note, that being boosted requires a LOT more maintainance. And by you not having the "expertise" to install it yourself, you likely will not have a clue as to the workings of the entire set up. So what happens when something goes wrong (which more then likely will happen sooner or later), are you going to dish out more cash to have someone look it for you?

[Junior]

Not knowing anything about the setup itself is one thing, as I didn't know anything when I picked up an already boosted car. I mean, I knew a little, but not a lot. The whole issue is the willingness to WANT to learn it instead of paying someone else to solve it for you.

Having a second car helps on those down-times though, for sure.

[iJay]

Just by a used turbo sedan and your good! is what Junior is saying

[iJay]

Not to mention wait till it blows up
we ll have another
Knock Knock, who's there? Read all 700 pages of misfoune, that should be a sticky IMO

[Junior]

Just by a used turbo sedan and your good! is what Junior is saying

I'm not saying that at all.

If I had a chance to do it all over again, I'd rather do it myself or not have done it at all. There's a lot of stuff I would have done differently, and now I'm forced to go back and take care of those same loose ends.

[dead_cactus]

I bought a complete turbo kit with extras (cost about 3k for the parts) then changed my mind. I decided that my pro wasn't worth boosting as the gains aren't as big as other vehicles and didn't want to go through all the hassels. I've decided to put the money towards a new car that's boosted from the factory.

[Azi]

i think 3g is decent to set aside for parts. 1g for install. and then some extra to maintain it.

[Thanu31]

Ok Thanks for the replys.

I guess no its not worth it, I just want it to have fun. I wouldnt regret it. But as im a student, it wouldnt be the best use of money.

As Junior, and ohters mentioned, yea I want to learn about the setup, so i could work on it myself, im not against learning at all, especially when im interested in it.
And as you stated Junior, i was talking about a basic MSP Turbo, nothing more.
I find turbo really interesting, and fun to have. not only for show but personal fun, I find myself a growing car enthusiast, so yea. I see myself getting into it later on forsure.

I think i should look for this later when im a lil older and balling lol.

I wouldnt mind spending about 2k to get turbo, but yea, installing it alone would be the best part.
thanks for the replys guys, really helpful.

[dead_cactus]

Have you considered selling your p5 and picking up a MSP? They can be found for around 10k, sometimes less.

[midnitehour]

Msp kit can be had for 2000

I bought my turbo and manifold for 600 bucks including the spipe got the j pipe free
Some how I managed to wind up with the msp intercooler piping for free but decided to go fmic which was only 60 bucks and the piping was 100

Ecu set me back 250

Oil pan with a inlet welded on was 50

And misc oil lines about 100

So 1100 later and a lot of research i'm ready to slap on some fun

Mind you my car is an auto and I left out the additional costs for that.

Not that hard to install a turbo kit, as there is a step by step how to by mazda

Tuning would be the sharp learning curve area but with a msp ecu you won't have to worry about it

If you want to play you have to pay

[Thanu31]

$1100, thats good! i wouldnt mind doing it for a price like that, but looks like you got a bit lucky.

And if people give me a hand, im down to install, hmmmm interesting.

[Thanu31]

Have you considered selling your p5 and picking up a MSP? They can be found for around 10k, sometimes less.

gonna cost me more than 2000k to get a speed,

and i like the idea of a p5 with turbo instead of the sedan

[Azi]

but the speed is a turbo + suspension mods. 2000k is not just for the turbo.

[CulRidr]

turbo, suspension, interior, audio...and a BUNCH of other small things
Doesn't matter if he prefers a hatch to a sedan though...

[yellowmsp03.5]

just buy my car off me for 15gs :)

ill even finish it for you too before delivery haha

[dead_cactus]

^ Its for sale?

[kz9]

I doubt it.

[Keegz]

$1100, thats good! i wouldnt mind doing it for a price like that, but looks like you got a bit lucky.

And if people give me a hand, im down to install, hmmmm interesting.

I have a bunch of turbo parts for sale, should help get you started on a build :yes:

http://www.toprotege.com/forums/showthread.php?t=39875

[RicecookerP5]

...got the j pipe free...

;)

slap it together already!

[iJay]

;)

slap it together already!

Thanu, hes a senior and gave up on the turbo dream. Take a hint man, somethings are just not ment to be.

[00bluees]

Ok Thanks for the replys.

I guess no its not worth it, 1) I just want it to have fun. 2) I wouldnt regret it. But as im a student, it wouldnt be the best use of money.

As Junior, and ohters mentioned, yea I want to learn about the setup, so i could work on it myself, im not against learning at all, especially when im interested in it.
And as you stated Junior, i was talking about a basic MSP Turbo, nothing more.
I find turbo really interesting, and fun to have. not only for show but personal fun, I find myself a growing car enthusiast, so yea. I see myself getting into it later on forsure.

I think i should look for this later when im a lil older and balling lol.

I wouldnt mind spending about 2k to get turbo, but yea, installing it alone would be the best part.
thanks for the replys guys, really helpful.

i know you seem to have made up your mind already but i thought i'd ad my thoughts.

1) what kind of "fun" are you talking here. just being able to drive faster and listen to a blow of valve? actually learning about the car and its workings and having fun taking care of it?

if its the former i suggest not wasting your money. its pointless imo to make your car faster without a reason. if you are going to track it, you won't do much better vs stock unless you upgrade alot more stuff, people will still dominate you. i remember how kansei had said that after he had turbo'd his P5 it did practically nothing for his autox times. road course would be a different story but as i said, without upgrading other parts you won't do a whole lot better imo.

if its the latter then by all means go for it. thats the main reason i would turbo my p5 is just to go through the whole learning experience since i have accepted that it would still be slow. then i would have that much more experience for my next project. but before you get too far ahead of yourself read comment 2).

2) yes, you will regret it. especially if you are a student. sure you could save up $3k and get a turbo kit installed, but then maybe your engine will explode or something else unexpected, and you won't have anything in your bank to take care of it. i've been through school and i regret almost every penny i spent, even just going out for mcdonalds or buying lunch at school instead of walking my lazy ass home. especially since in my case it was all OSAP money i blew and by the time summer rolled around i literally had $200 to my name and had to scramble to get a job. getting a bit offtopic but you get my drift i'm sure.

[Ejoe19]

I wanted a turbo too...then I realized I owned a 7 year old 130 hp car.

[Levesque]

imo its what u want... i have a full loaded garage so i have the time but i didnt know much on cars at first.. but its hobby now.. im also an aircraft mechanic so... but friends know stuff and willing to help. i love spending time under the hood chnageing shit. stuffs gonna break for sure , its sucks but its the part of the game. if its a goal u want go for it... if u build up slowly towards turbo. like changing ur internals to forged and shit and not just slap on a turbo then it will be more reliable.

[RicecookerP5]

Thanu, hes a senior and gave up on the turbo dream. Take a hint man, somethings are just not ment to be.

Well, not really. I'm in boost heaven. I started collecting parts that I needed to turbo the P5 because I was getting bored of it. I actually had everything ready to go 99%~. There are a few factors that prevented me from installing my 'kit'. But, mainly it was the downtime that I couldn't afford with my DD.

The car was sold because I couldn't pass up on a deal I came accross with the subie.

Thanu,

If you have the means to do it, then I encourage you. You mentioned you are a student, but that doesn't really have to stop you. It may just slow you down IMO. It's hard to judge without knowing your full situation - and I'm not interested in knowing.

Whether it's "worth it" is a cost vs. return question. But, the return is not just numbers/power etc. To me, something is worth whatever I'm willing to pay for it.

[Levesque]

is it worth it to u thats all that matters , if ur gonna be happy with a turboed p5 and its for fun who gives a ***k go for it.

[MP5rYda]

MMmmmm turbo!! :p

[kuhl]

me as a students point of view.. waste of money.. better off selling it and getting a msp

[LondonZoom]

I'm working towards turboing my P5, and I have to say, I'm looking forward to learning about the turbo system and installing it more then I am about going that tiny little bit faster. When it's said and done I'm gonna be able to say "I did that", and that will be worth it to me.

Weather that's worth it to you or not is something only you can decide.

[FunkRider]

I'm working towards turboing my P5, and I have to say, I'm looking forward to learning about the turbo system and installing it more then I am about going that tiny little bit faster. When it's said and done I'm gonna be able to say "I did that", and that will be worth it to me.

Weather that's worth it to you or not is something only you can decide.

Beer and Pizza and I'm DOWN for helping install that dan.

[Keegz]

me as a students point of view.. waste of money.. better off selling it and getting a msp

Either option is going to cost money, therefore from a student's point of view both are wasteful.

I'd still suggest you have a peek at my parts for sale lol. :rolleyes:

[jjac28]

you need a lot of money to turbo, and being a student, well, its not such a good idea. also take into consideration the reliability issues, turbo needs a lot of extra cash for maintenace. you need to heavy and a steady cash flow dude

[Cocco]

do you plan on telling your insurance company that you have turboed your car? have you thought about how your going to get the pants sued off you if you ever get into an accident and they find out what you really have under the hood instead of what your suppose to have? they can pull your insurance if that were to happen and good luck getting insured again after that on your record......and i guarantee you will be paying out of pocket to fix the other car as insurance will wipe their hands clean of the whole thing and refuse to pay any repair bills form the accident

[Myk]

I think I would rather boost my P5, than get an MSP.

[LondonZoom]

Beer and Pizza and I'm DOWN for helping install that dan.

I was hoping you'd say that Ian! :D

[iJay]

I think I would rather boost my Saturn, than get an MSP.

Really?

[iBbLaCkMaN02Pro5]

I love my P5 too, but I recognize it for what it is. Buy something that already has a turbo.

[midnitehour]

I think I would rather boost my P5, than get an MSP.

what are you waiting for?

[cruisinblackp5]

I love my P5 too, but I recognize it for what it is. Buy something that already has a turbo.

Why would you want something already boosted? To me thats boring un less there was a lot of potential left in the motor but most manufacturers dont do that. Maybe a domestic though

[CrazyCaker]

^ agreed. But might be fun to throw a blower on it to use along with the turbo, or bi-turbo! :)

[cruisinblackp5]

^ agreed. But might be fun to throw a blower on it to use along with the turbo, or bi-turbo! :)


Thats something I really want to try soon