Rowan's Wheels

[Logan]

I've started a thread where we can all support Rowan in his quest for wheels, and hope that he gets some in time for Sunday!!

[130hp]

yeah. he's on a mission. good luck http://msg.toprotege.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

[rowan]

lol! only taken 2 years ... i suppose i will post any updates here. but i don't really expect to have them for this weekend.

[ESsedan01]

Rowan, does that mean your Racing Hart's will be up for sale? If the answer is yes, than let me know.

[Mike_Moss]

i'm rootin' for ya!  (don't know why tho cuz this will only cause you to kick my ass even worse at races  http://msg.toprotege.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif ...hehe)

[rowan]

Not selling the RacingHarts. Sorry. Need these new wheels for competition only.

[rowan]

Stupid Memorial Day .. all the US shops were closed so I couldn't find if the Kosei's have been shipped. Hopefully I will know tomorrow.

I'd rather have something for this weekend's Hershey event so I can have that, and the one on the 14th as practice for the next Regional event on the 15th.

Argh!

[cruisinblackp5]

Take my stock 16s if you want them, the rubber isn't too bad but they are still stock rubbers. Weight vs grip????

[rowan]

Grip http://msg.toprotege.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

[rowan]

I'm told Kosei says the wheels have been "sent out". But no tracking number yet .. hopefully tomorrow I will have a tracking number. And hopefully by "sent out" they meant "sent out to Toronto" not "sent out to be drilled". haha

[dr_sarcasm]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (rowan @ May 28 2003,12:45)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I'm told Kosei says the wheels have been &quot;sent out&quot;. But no tracking number yet .. hopefully tomorrow I will have a tracking number. And hopefully by &quot;sent out&quot; they meant &quot;sent out to Toronto&quot; not &quot;sent out to be drilled&quot;. haha[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Face it...you'll be getting them at the same time as I get my wheels...

HAHA!


dr_&quot;misery loves company&quot;_sarcasm.

[rowan]

wtf is wrong with these people. yet another week and no tracking number. north america fucking sucks! morons everyone ... wtf ... grrr http://msg.toprotege.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif

[rowan]

Kosei still has the K1's at the drillers !! after three weeks !!
Not cool. If they don't ship by Wednesday there's not much hope of them arriving in time for the 14th.

At least Fourstar has TH3 in stock in 15x7.

[superdave]

Screw Kosei. They obviously don't really want your money.

[130hp]

i think everyone will agree that waiting sucks!!!

[Clappy]

i hear ya.. i'm only waiting for clear signals.. and they aren't here yet.. i ordered them march 31st... how long does it take to come from california?? but thats nothing in comparison to what rowan's going thru..

[rowan]

Hope I get some good news soon ...

[Logan]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Clappy @ June 02 2003,11:14)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">how long does it take to come from california??[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
4 days for my gauge pod...

[rowan]

Well the K1's have been at the drillers for 9 days, and apparently 2 of them are finished. At this rate they will be shipped out from California beginning of July ...

Time to get some Team Dynamics.

[Logan]

that is RIDICULOUS!!!!!

[rowan]

Yes I'm actually leaning towards ordering Team Dynamics wheels from Rishi ( Auto RnD ) tomorrow instead of from Ben at Wheels-Direct. Mostly because it will be cheaper, and I can request that Rishi send them express or expedited or some other method of shipping so they will for sure arrive in time.

Shots of the stock-size 17&quot; Team Dynamics wheels are here
http://www.protegemp3.com/vbb225/showthread.php?s=&amp;threadid=21093 (http://www.protegemp3.com/vbb225/showthread.php?s=&threadid=21093)

tasty

[rowan]

now i'm just very confused

[P5 Rally]

selecting the right wheel is never easy.......sometimes too much choice is bad!!

[Logan]

Will you run the same size tire as pictured?

wheel gap = bad!!

I won't take pictures of you... ha!

[rowan]

no no wheel gap = fast http://msg.toprotege.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

[superdave]

Have you made a decision yet? http://msg.toprotege.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[rowan]

Depends if any wheels actually make it to Toronto next week.

[Logan]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (rowan @ June 06 2003,12:31)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">no no wheel gap = fast http://msg.toprotege.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Yeah I know...
gear ratios, blah blah blah

But it looks bad so no pictures of your fast car!

[MP5Navy]

Multiple spoke rims like the Team Dynamics rims are going out of style. They look too flat and static and the tuner market is heading into more shapely forms, just look at how sexy the 5Zigen rims are getting. Multiple spoke rims are also a bitch to clean - just imagine cleaning brake dust out of each and every spoke!

Rowan I know that you are all about speed but these rims are gonna look outdated real soon. I also don't think they would look good on the MP3 in any colour. In my opinion, on the sedan you should go with a clean simple wheel design cause the svelte body needs the shoes to match. On the Pro5 you should go a bit crazier with rims cause they have to stand out from underneath a heavier and larger body.

[superdave]

They are going to be race only wheels guys... who gives a shit what they look like? I'd run steelies if only they were lite weight! Rowan will still have the Racing Hearts for the street http://msg.toprotege.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

[Mike_Moss]

Function before Fashion, Dave. http://msg.toprotege.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[MP5Navy]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (superdave @ June 06 2003,10:50)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">who gives a shit what they look like?[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Ahh Gen1 guys have completely given up on looking good eh? I don't even run steelies in the winter cause I can't stand the sight of them! May I remind you Dave that &quot;how a man takes care of his car is a refelction of how to takes care of himself&quot; [The detective in Transporter]

I give a shit what they look like. Who doesn't give a shit what they look like?

[superdave]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (MP5Navy @ June 06 2003,10:56)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (superdave @ June 06 2003,10:50)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">who gives a shit what they look like?[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Ahh Gen1 guys have completely given up on looking good eh? I don't even run steelies in the winter cause I can't stand the sight of them! May I remind you Dave that &quot;how a man takes care of his car is a refelction of how to takes care of himself&quot; [The detective in Transporter]

I give a shit what they look like. Who doesn't give a shit what they look like?[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
I also use alloys for winter. The oem wheels aren't good for much else (sorry mike http://msg.toprotege.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif ). For the TRACK it doesn't matter what the wheels look like. Street is a different matter. I couldn't afford 2 sets of wheels(summer and track), so I compromised unlike some people i know *cough* you *cough*. So how heavy are your wheels again? http://msg.toprotege.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif http://msg.toprotege.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

[MP5Navy]

75lbs of pure rice and run flat monsters for highway chases.

The track rims and rubber may come next year - wanna see if Auto Cross and Solo1 is something I might consider doing for life.

[Logan]

I can see the line of &quot;rice&quot; coming up here.
OK, I'm bringing it up.

I much prefer funtion over form. If it's not going to improve my car in some way, then I am not going to spend money on it. Looking good is second.
All that bling bling shit can go to hell!
Now, if part X improves my car in some way, and looks GREAT then I am twice as happy.
I think the car should look good at the track as well as the street. Don't you want to have cool pictures of your car racing around? Who want's a flashy car with junky wheels pictured somewhere, would it make the cut compared to a slower pictured car with nice wheels?
My race wheels aren't the best, they are heavy and don't fit so well. But the price was right and I was running out of time, so I compromised. I don't think I will have them next year, maybe not later this year...
I commend Rowan on his patience for getting a wheel that is going to work for him, and work properly.
Personally, I wouldn't get these wheels from Rishie. I don't like how they look, and I don't like pictures of cars with dark wheels, too hard to see. But if they allow you to beat me than I will be very impressed!

[MP5Navy]

Bling Bling can goto hell? Custom interiors too? Screens? In car PS2? Shift knobs? Coloured bulbs? Clear side markers? Where would our import scene be without these Rice mods? On the contray... Look good, feel good, score more punani...

Mind you most of my mods are for personal pleasure and to boast about but when you are modding and playing with your car nearly every weekend Rice happens. Afterall we are all driving our street cars at the track and autocrosses - you've gotta serve both needs although for me I think of my car as more for the street. I don't consider my car a strictly Rice car but at the same time I don't baby the bitch. Rice it but drive it and I'll respect it.

Doug brings up a good point. If your car looks good doing what it does then sponsors will also take note. Afterall who wants to post their logos on a car with ugly mods?

[superdave]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (MP5Navy @ June 06 2003,2:33)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Doug brings up a good point. If your car looks good doing what it does then sponsors will also take note. Afterall who wants to post their logos on a car with ugly mods?[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
In my eyes rice = ugly. Also, IMO wheels that aren't bling bling (IE racing wheels) show that the car is meant for that. What do you think is going to get more sponsors for racing? BLING BLING wheels or a car with racing wheels that looks like its there to actually race, and not just to look pretty? Oh well you two can continue on with your bling theories and I'll continue with mine http://msg.toprotege.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

IMO street and track don't mix very well. Looks should have no part in real racing. If it performs good and looks good so beit. But if the looks come before the function it defeats the whole purpose.

All the reasons above are why I got Konig Heliums. I didn't care what they looked like, so long as they were light weight and had many tire choices. I would have prefered a 7&quot; wide wheel but there wasn't anything as light thats was anywhere near the price of the Heliums. I really wanted Enkei TBS-11 wheels, but they were to heavy and 16&quot; limited my tire choices.

[Mike_Moss]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (MP5Navy @ June 06 2003,2:33)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Bling Bling can goto hell?  Custom interiors too? Screens? In car PS2?  Shift knobs?  Coloured bulbs?  Clear side markers?  Where would our import scene be without these Rice mods?[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
YES!

I accept the fact that you like rice, why can't you accept the fact that i hate it?

[rowan]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">
Multiple spoke rims like the Team Dynamics rims are going out of style.
[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>

Navy obviously doesn't watch BTCC, DTM, or WRC http://msg.toprotege.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

Ben said the Koseis have shipped so assuming they do come in next week I'm sticking with those. He also said there is a set of those ProRace1 in 15x7 on their way with a +40 offset.

K1 = 12.5 lbs, ProRace1 = 13 lbs

The only decent 5Zigen rims are the FN01R. Sorry. http://msg.toprotege.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/inlove.gif

[dr_sarcasm]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (rowan @ June 06 2003,10:48)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">The only decent 5Zigen rims are the FN01R. Sorry.  http://msg.toprotege.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/inlove.gif[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
...now you tell me...



dr_&quot;remind me to hunt you down like the dog that you are&quot;_sarcasm.

[rowan]

lol. well decent for my purposes http://msg.toprotege.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif
no hatin' !!

[dr_sarcasm]

...a little bird told me that someone, at this very moment, is fondling his wheels...


dr_&quot;as am I http://msg.toprotege.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/thumbs-up.gif &quot;_sarcasm.

[Logan]

If this is True, ROWAN, we need to know.

I have to mentally prepare myself to be able to set faster times than you on Sunday.
I mean, I've got something like 40-50hp more, but if your times are like mine I will be embarassed!!!
What tires are you getting?

I might be more excited than you!

[7plymaple]

I know I know! http://msg.toprotege.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

[rowan]

Well yes I have heard a certain rumour that the fabled Kosei K1's have arrived .. custom drilled for my MP3. Tomorrow I will know for sure whether the monkeys on the West coast were able to correctly read the specs. http://msg.toprotege.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

The will be pairing up with some Toyo RA-1 (couldn't resist the R-Group free shit) for a fearsome combination the likes of which have never been seen.

Be prepared for all my off-course runs this weekend as I adjust to the new tires! haha

For now .. a tentative http://msg.toprotege.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/thumbs-up.gif

[dr_sarcasm]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (rowan @ June 10 2003,5:36)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Well yes I have heard a certain rumour that the fabled Kosei K1's have arrived ..[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
I was there today - they're here (I was fondling mine earlier - bloody look good in real life)!

http://msg.toprotege.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif


dr_&quot;of course, they're outta stock on my rubber...*sigh* &quot;_sarcasm.

[rowan]

Out of stock cuz you're getting Conti's right? hehe

[rowan]

whoring .... here's what i've got to look forward to tomorrow ...

http://www.tirerack.com/images/wheels/kosei/swap/kos_k1_race_sil_ci3_l.jpg

http://www.toyoracing.com/Picts/RA1_Tire.gif

[superdave]

http://msg.toprotege.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/thumbs-up.gif

Now your really gonna beat me down... lol.

[dr_sarcasm]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (rowan @ June 10 2003,10:55)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Out of stock cuz you're getting Conti's right? hehe[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Only if you wanna lend me the extra $100 per tire... http://msg.toprotege.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif



dr_&quot;would have been sweet...ah well&quot;_sarcasm.

[rowan]

Well. Finally have them. No good pics yet.
Now I need a torque wrench.
Have to put them on and go driving for a while to get off the crap from the mold, and do a bit of heat cycling.
The look like they're all drilled correctly .. hope they fit!

[Mike_Moss]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (rowan @ June 11 2003,10:59)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Well. Finally have them. No good pics yet.
Now I need a torque wrench.
Have to put them on and go driving for a while to get off the crap from the mold, and do a bit of heat cycling.
The look like they're all drilled correctly .. hope they fit![/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
congratulations!!!! http://msg.toprotege.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/thumbs-up.gif

[superdave]

Awesome! Can't wait to see em! http://msg.toprotege.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[Sky_high]

Rowan,

I like the wheels...like the tires even more!! http://msg.toprotege.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[rowan]

Well, they fit!
Two seem a little tighter than the other two.
Could be due in part to all the corrosion on my hubs.

Might need to switch to 19mm nuts because there isn't enough clearance to tighten the nuts on the K1's with the crappy stock emergency wrench.

[MP5Navy]

Might want to invest in some Tuner nuts (Inverted nut pattern) - it will save the rashing on your new rims.

[rowan]

Good point but who actually carries them?

Skunk2 are back ordered.
JRP has the 7-sided Kyokugen nuts.
Inverted bolt pattern ... don't know where to get those.

[rowan]

The long-awaited final result!

http://www.stasis.org/~rowan/images/protege-mp3/KoseiK1Racing/PassengerSide.jpg

[superdave]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (rowan @ June 14 2003,6:38)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">The long-awaited final result!

http://www.stasis.org/~rowan/images/protege-mp3/KoseiK1Racing/PassengerSide.jpg[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Did you heat cycle them today? http://msg.toprotege.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[Logan]

More importantly:

How did you do??

[rowan]

Dave: yeah gave 'em a bit of a runaround to get heat into them. Might have been a little too hard on the fronts cuz they started peeling a bit. Oh well. We'll see tomorrow how they do!

Logan: Didn't race today because I had to go to BC Auto in the morning to get lug nuts that fit the K1's!

Although by the looks of things, I would have ended up 2nd behind the Mini Cooper S .. even on street tires.