Rust Proofing

[KeeWee]

Hey peeps,
I have yet to get my car rust proofed, and want to do so very soon before school starts up again.

I've heard a lot from people about this Krown place..I don't know how much they charge for this yet. Any one have any suggestions? DOes it really matter where you go?

Thanks!

[protegedude]

The two main companies are Krown and Corrosion free. Actual locations of franchises don't much differ but the two companies do. Krown is a much more oily product, not as tacky as Corosion free. Corosion free is very messy and that's why I'll be using Krown. It should cost between $100 and $150 give or take. Both products work very well just make sure your car is clean and has no sand on the inner fender edge or any other spot it may gather. http://msg.toprotege.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

[MP5Navy]

I am against rust proofing the car. That crap they spray into the sheet metal is literally crap that does crap all. That crap is a waste of money I would never spend that kinda coin on crap like that. If you don't want crappy rust all over your crappy car I suggest you wash it often and dry the water with a good, not crappy, Cali blade or towel. Also parking your car indoors in the crappy winter time will rust out your car faster. All you kids that get rust proofing believe too much in the hype. While you get your rust proofing get a bottle of Pro-Long, dura lube, and the tornado intake. http://msg.toprotege.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

[Bumble G]

I recoment Krown. I sprayed my last car for 5 years and there was no side effects.

I sprayed my P5 last December. I will spray it again come October.

[protegedude]

Rust proofing isn't a bad thing or a waist of money at all.Get it done by a reputable dealer and you will see the benefits from it five years from now. I've seen too many classic vehicles that have been sprayed in mint original condition to believe that it doesn't work.

[KeeWee]

alright, thanks for the advice from all (yes, including dave's crap talk...boy, is he always full of so much crap?) Maybe some bran would help flush out that system of his...

[ALS-protege]

I brought my car in to Rust Check...Got a good deal and they used the heavy stuff on my car so it doesn't run so easily...
I was told the best time to get it done is the late Summer months...Reason why is so that the heat will allow the thick stuff spread all over easily as you drive...
They did a really good job, they get every inch of your car...
If you were to get it done in the colder months which most people do, the thick stuff will not spread so easily...
This came from a buddy that worked at Rust Check and which I got a good deal from...
Wish he worked there still...Imagine..Washing/Waxing your car indoors with a heater and using the air gun to remove any water leftovers in the hard to reach places which  a towel can't get to....Then you drive out of the shop in the cold winter months and people wonder " How the hell that guy keeps his car so clean in the Winter "...
I'd wash my car at least twice a week when he worked there...
He will try to get me another deal as he is still buddy buddy with the owner.

I will ask if we can get a nice deal if we go in as a Group...

Will keep you all Posted...
By the Way...It's the RustChek on Dundas and Mavis Area..[Mississauga]

[frankied]

Cars definitely do need 'extra' rustproofing in our climate  if you intend to keep your ride for more than about 5 years (I do).

If you do research on both Krown and Rust Check you might find that Krown has a larger following and a better rep (but I'm not saying Rust Check is 'bad' ).

I have used Krown on all my vehicles for over 10 years.

I just had my P5 done at Krown 2 weeks ago.  In addition to doing the  appropriate underside and under hood areas,  and inside the hatch (using existing holes),  more importantly they drilled a total of 16 small holes in doors and rockers etc. to spray in places where moisture would build up, but you would never see it or get at these areas when you wash your car. Some of you might not like the thought of holes in your car, but it was not too painful to watch, knowing that it's in the interest of long term health of the car.  When done they carefully greased the edges of each of these holes and nicely plugged them so that the holes themselves do not rust.

I couldn't believe the  clouds of mist that flew around everywhere during all this (but the guy did not even wear a mask! ).  They use a product that 'creeps' into cracks and crevices and does not harm rubber etc.   It should be done every year.  Their price recently went up $10 for the first time in many years .  It's $110 but there is a $10 CAA discount (probably would give you the same discount on a 'group buy'  basis.   There is a location In Markham on Laidlaw.

[dr_sarcasm]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (frankied @ Aug. 11 2002,9:27)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Cars definitely do need 'extra' rustproofing in our climate  if you intend to keep your ride for more than about 5 years (I do).[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Not sure I agree with that sentiment. I don't believe that one needs to rustproof one's car in order to ensure the longevity of the vehicle.

My reasoning is this: Of my last two cars, the first one was treated - and it lasted 11 years (started rusting in it's 9th year). My second car I did not treat at all - all I did was wash it once a month (incl. in the winter months), and it was 8 years old before rust starting forming (rust starting to show on the wheel wells).

As Dave has already pointed out, rust is a chemical reaction that is produced due to salt and moisture and heat - the heat produced by a heated garage, for instance. So it's quite simple: stay out of heated garages. http://msg.toprotege.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

Cheers,

dr_sarcasm.

[frankied]

That was your experience based on 2 vehicles... and surely not identical vehicles....some are simply more rust prone than others....not something I would form any general conclusions on. I agree that heat does accelerate rust formation... no argument there. But you can't always control where you park or where you drive... and as the saying goes &quot;rust never sleeps&quot;.

[midnightblue97lx]

My parents had their old Caprice wagon done at Rust Check every year for probably the first 8 years that they owned it. It was an 84 and when they got rid of it in 97 it had very little rust on it at all, and only one tiny-assed hole in the body. This car was from a time when the body panels were 3/4&quot; thick, but the paint quality from just about every damn domestic car was sub-par at best.
I consider the mid seventies to the mid-late 80's to be the darkages for the auto industry.

[dr_sarcasm]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (frankied @ Aug. 11 2002,10:56)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">That was your experience based on 2 vehicles... and surely not identical vehicles [snip rest][/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
...as a matter of fact, yes, they were identicle vehicles i.e. VW Golfs.

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My response is not only based on my personal experience, but also that given by sources such as Consumer's Reports, Car and Driver, etc. The most I ever saw these reputable publications advise was the oil spray for the carriage underbody.

However, my point is not to argue with you - it's just to give another viewpoint.

Cheers,

dr_sarcasm.

[cruisinblackp5]

I'm a big fan of Ziebart, as a family we have taken lots of cars there and never have noticeable rust. Only one of our vehicles has rust and was bought used and was in several accidents so there wasn't as much care taken. My best advice though is to shop around and ask questions. Also price varies from shop to shop even under the same name. So call a few as it is often worth the drive to save a few $$

[CarDemon]

Overated and hyped is the professional rust proofing systems and franchises. Go to Crappy Tire and purchase a couple of spray cans of 'Rust Check' and d.i.y. at a 1/4 of the cost and you can concentrate on the areas where rust most likely sets in.

Or better yet for $30-$40 dollars go to an independent garage or Walmart Auto, and have them do an oil spray undercoating every late fall.

[frankied]

It's interesting that everyone has their own experiences all over the map. I also heard nothing but negative stuff about places like Ziebart that use the 'thicker' coatings. But I just remembered that my in-laws have a 12 year old Toyota that they had since new, that does not have a spot of rust on it, so one day I asked them how they maintain the body. The said Ziebart (now done by Tidy Car franchises) since day one. Now, they don't have a garage, the car sits under a carport... so the car never sits in a heated/confined space... so that is probably a factor!

[KingKong]

I had my Rust Proofing done from the dealership b4 I picked up my car...They provide a lifetime warranty and they do a very good job...

It will cost you alot if you bring it to the dealer ($699)

[jali-p5]

you had it done by the dealership and guaranteed by that &quot;diamond-kote&quot; place right?  (think it's spelt that way)  i've heard mixed opinions about this stuff from it's adequate right down to this company sucks.  i think that their guarantee indicates that in order for the lifetime warranty to kick into effect when your car starts rusting is that you need the rust to penetrate the metal, in which case would mean that the rust is pretty bad.  i think that if you get those rust bubbles, they are not covered yet.....rust actually has to break through the paint and when that happens, it means the inside of that metal is toast.

i got it done too when i bought my car at the end of april, but my dad told me that we had it done to our '87 mazda 626 and when it began to show signs of rust a year or two later, he tried to claim, but they would not cover, so my dad took it to rust check to have them do a real job and didn't have a problem after that for 10 years.  i'm thinking of getting it done by like a rust check or krown or something cause my dad's been freakin me out w/ his story.  

apparently if you do it at krown or rust check when it comes off the lot, it's guaranteed for life too.  i think that you can do it later on too given there's no rust on your car and they may still guarantee for life.

[frankied]

As far as I know , the warranties for everyone in this business, including Krown, are like that, waranteed against 'perforation' only. So nobody will guarantee against surface bubbles/rust.
I think the most important thing is not the words in the warranty (few successful warranty clams are probably made in this business), but the reputation and quality of the stuff / company being used.

[markque]

Ok, this is the world's third most controversial topic it seems...next to sex and religion. :-)
My first and second brand new cars were rustproofed at the dealership. They charged a small fortune. I had a minor accident after 6 months with my second car and stopped by the shop to check up on the repair. Much to my dismay, there was only a tiny spot of goo on the inside of the damaged front fender - I freaked! The body man couldn't say anything so I went after the owner of this Chrysler dealership. To make a long story short(er), his shop re-sprayed my whole car properly, to my satisfaction. Seems he was ripping people off. I sold the car after 6 years and it only had minor rust spots from stone chips on the hood.
Since then, I've had several other used cars. One was undercoated annually for $40 cash. It was the synthetic stuff and he did a good job. The car was 7 years old when I bought it, drove it for 4 years, and it had NO MORE RUST than the day I bought it. There ya go.
The next car, '91 Honda Accord, I took to Krown for undercoating. They charged $99 and did a good job. However, I discovered that car had already had a rust repair and a year later and $1200, I had body work done. HONDAS NEED UNDERCOATING FROM NEW!
With the P5, I was approached on the electronic device by the business manager of the dealership. I first thought, &quot;ya right - ripoff&quot;. But I saw some third party results on it and decided to go for it after discovering the local Lexus dealership was also using it. It retailed for $799 but I got it for $699. That works out to $100 annually for 7 years, and I figured there's a good chance I'll have this car for 7 years. I'm due for my first annual inspection. What I like best is NO SMELL, NO MESS UNDER THE HOOD AND NO DRIPPING IN THE DRIVEWAY!!!
So that's my experience. Hope it helps!

markque http://msg.toprotege.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[Shawn]

I have a friend that got that type of unit. 1989 Tran Am. Only rust is the rear axle. The body is good. But he only paid about 300.

Said it is an easy install.
Later.

[KeeWee]

Hey peeps....

I just called Krown Rust proofing..I have an appointment tomorrow (only costs $100), and they told me they could do it in an hour..and I could just drive it away after that!

I always thought I'd have to leave the car there...to let the crap drip off of it....Anyone have theirs done at Krown? Any thoughts on why it only takes an hour (so fast?)?

[jali-p5]

did you find out if they will guarantee your rust proofing job for life if you do it twice with them?? or do you have to do it when you first buy your car?? if not, would you mind finding out?? thanks a bunch!

[KeeWee]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (jali-p5 @ Aug. 22 2002,10:41)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">did you find out if they will guarantee your rust proofing job for life if you do it twice with them??  or do you have to do it when you first buy your car??  if not, would you mind finding out??  thanks a bunch![/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Ok, got the rust proofing done. Whether or not it is a good investment, after seeing the guy's 20 year old car with no rust on it, sorta convinced me. I went to the Krown in Richmond Hill, and I was quite impressed with the service. The guy there went through almost the whole procedure with me, and gave me a step-by-step description of what they were actually doing to my car. I mean, he talked about the whole procedure in such detail I was starting to fall asleep.

Anyway, if it's a new car you're bringing in, jali, then it is a lifetime warranty, no need for 2 visits.

[jali-p5]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (KeeWee @ Aug. 24 2002,6:16)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Anyway, if it's a new car you're bringing in, jali, then it is a lifetime warranty, no need for 2 visits.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
so then was your car considered a new car or an old car cause i know that if you bring the car in a few weeks after you bought it, then it's guaranteed, but someone also told me that if you didn't bring it in right away, you need to go back for them to guarantee it for life.....did they guarantee your car for life??

[KeeWee]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (jali-p5 @ Aug. 24 2002,6:21)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">.....did they guarantee your car for life??[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
yup, they guaranteed mine!

[Platinumtom]

I had my car done at Krown. It was quick and basically the same price as most places do it for. Sometimes there are coupons in the mail that come in that save you some cash and if you know a family member that has a CAA membership they will give you an additional discount. The guy that was spraying my car was really cool and gave me tips about waxing, and stuff like that. He also said that if I do any work under the car with new bolts put in or drill for mounts and stuff for my exhaust, to just come back within a few months and they'll respray around those areas for free. Many people go to Krown and i've only heard good things about them.

[ESsedan01]

I'm also a fan of Krown. This will be my 3rd visit with this car. I guess I'll have to wait until the car turns 5 before I can give my honest opinion. But from looking under neath the car on several occasions this past Summer, looks pretty clean so far. I feel like it's more piece of mind than anything, knowing that I'm making an effort to fight the affects of that big white crap the city likes to coat the roads with.

[eternity525]

hey KeeWee, can I get the number for Krown in richmond hill? I'd like to go get rustproofing done there too!!

[Action Jackson]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (eternity525 @ Dec. 14 2003,3:13)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">hey KeeWee, can I get the number for Krown in richmond hill?  I'd like to go get rustproofing done there too!![/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
http://www.krown.com/listing.php