Mike_Moss' 2001 MP3 - kaboom! > rebuilt - stronger, lighter, faster, bionic!

[Mike_Moss]

Though I started a Work Log thread, but guess not. :confused:

Anyway, here's the latest shot:
http://img254.imageshack.us/img254/4423/topphotocontestae7.jpg
Taken: Good Friday 2008

[Mike_Moss]

Oh, and I actually blew a hole in both sides of the block. :p

[Spyder01]

I think you need to fix your garage door first! :p

[Mike_Moss]

^ Smartass.

Was the best way to keep in what little heat I had. :p

[red-i]

your trunk is open. Fix that shit.

[thekid]

Oh, and I actually blew a hole in both sides of the block. :p
Pictures?

[CulRidr]

Nice wideband...I've got the same one sitting in the basement :)

[Mike_Moss]

your trunk is open. Fix that shit.That's where I've been keeping all the parts I've been removing from the car. hehe

This is by far the most cramped location I've ever had to work on my car...and it sucks. :(
Pictures?Not yet, but I will snap some good ones soon. :)Nice wideband...I've got the same one sitting in the basement :)Thanks!

[CrazyCaker]

Pictures?

+1 :)

[Logan]

dude, what have you been up to? Looks like you haven't done anything yet!

[red-i]

+1.342

[ESsedan01]

I spy a sweet ass Alpine in that pic.

I was looking at that same deck at EHR a couple weeks ago. Me thinks I need an upgrade.:cool:

[yellowmsp03.5]

haha nice shop you got going there mike... i actually just found out that i had blown out both sides of the block also.. the pics i posted before were of the back... just removed my turbo and mani and found 2 more holes twice the size of the ones on the back... and just so happened to blow a side out of the MBSP just so i have to buy a new one.

and to add to that, i found a nice new hole in my new Ron Davis rad that was caused by flying shrapnel pieces of cast iron haha

my sis has that Ipod deck... its sweet... just sucks with no CD player

get started.. ill see you at the track this summer if we can get our cars running again haha

[Scooter]

...still rolling on summers :p

[Sky_high]

...still rolling on summers :p

A bet pool should be created to see if Mike actually does get around to fixing and finishing the swap, before he needs to change those summer tires to winter tires for NEXT winter season!!!

[Hwy Demon]

A bet pool should be created to see if Mike actually does get around to fixing and finishing the swap, before he needs to change those summer tires to winter tires for NEXT winter season!!!

Ill take some of that action.....Put me down for $5

[Kansei]

I love how comically large the NGK wideband box is. I usually hold onto boxes for crap like that in case I go and sell them later but not the NGK.

Are you going to ash-tray mount it?

[Miki01]

That garage door looks awfully close to your MP3... By the way, that MP3 wing is pure s3x!!!11

Lovin' that diff too ;)

[solo.]

Iridium spark plugs!?!

[Kansei]

Iridium spark plugs!?!

ewww I didn't see that before

copper is ftw!

[Perma]

Wow, you washed it?

[CrazyCaker]

Iridium spark plugs!?!

what's wrong with iridium? they require less voltage to produce a more effective spark (due to the smaller surface area the fine wire tip has), and also run cooler. I'm sure someone is going to reply about copper having less resistance :rolleyes: , but if those idiots actually understood that ALL plugs have copper cores prehaps they'd learn something.

edit: one more thing to add... "copper" plugs actually use a nickel electrode. No plug actually uses copper as the electrode, copper is too soft. This is why electrodes are generally only nickel, platinum, iridium, etc.

[-CQ]

Were you turning on Erin mills parkway from millcreek today around 2:15? I saw a blue mp3 didnt get to check who it was.

[KJS]

^ Moss' car is blown up. It wouldnt have been him.

Oh, and I actually blew a hole in both sides of the block. :p

[solo.]

what's wrong with iridium? they require less voltage to produce a more effective spark (due to the smaller surface area the fine wire tip has), and also run cooler. I'm sure someone is going to reply about copper having less resistance :rolleyes: , but if those idiots actually understood that ALL plugs have copper cores prehaps they'd learn something.

edit: one more thing to add... "copper" plugs actually use a nickel electrode. No plug actually uses copper as the electrode, copper is too soft. This is why electrodes are generally only nickel, platinum, iridium, etc.

It's cause I'm too cheap for Iridium plugs.:p That and I fear that I might screw it up if I needed to regap them.

Any thoughts about the Pulstar plugs?

[-CQ]

ohhh ahahha -_-

[Marleymar]

Hey Moss how many horses does the Rusty Chain add

[Mike_Moss]

hahaha, I knew I'd catch some flak in this thread...glad to see goons posting here. :)

Here's some quick notes:
Haven't done much yet since I haven't really had time to work on the car, but the motor is ready to pull and will be out this weekend - hoping I will have enough time to have the new engine ready to go in.
I know it was meant to be comical, but I am infact rolling on winters in that photo. :) I swapped to winters a few days before I blew the car up.
I will have the car running in the coming weeks, and hopefully I'll be able to get a proper tune before MOSI hits up Calabogie for our annual race school.
Yeah, the NGK AFX is a MASSIVE box. I didn't realize it until a few mins before that photo when I finally opened the box I received in December. Ashtray mount fo' sho!
The garage door is actually sitting on the car.
Yeah, Iridium. Unless you've tried them, save your comments for some other forum. There's so much BS out there about plugs it's not even funny. I just looked at the spec sheets and picked what I thought was best for my application.
Hell's no I didn't wash it...it just hasn't had a chance to get dirty since it's been in the garage since December.
As Kaelan said, my car's blow'd up...hasn't been out since December.
Rusty chain adds no horses...it's the brakes. :p It's tethered to a large wheel chock that I borrowed from a loading dock years ago.

Here's another photo showing where some of the parts are hiding:
http://img227.imageshack.us/img227/8900/img2844ar1.jpg

[prot3g3]

lookin like it will be sweet when its all said and done, good luck!

[Kansei]

I've used iridiums plenty. They fouled up long before they were worn out, which is why I won't waste money on them.

Not just in my Protege either, in my Mazda truck too (4.0 Ford Cologne pushrod V6)

lol lovin the trunk parts

[KJS]

Moss,

Are you just throwing in a used FS-DE?

[Mike_Moss]

I've used iridiums plenty. They fouled up long before they were worn out, which is why I won't waste money on them.

Not just in my Protege either, in my Mazda truck too (4.0 Ford Cologne pushrod V6)

lol lovin the trunk partsThat's cool, I'll let you know how I find them...could very well hate them as well. :p

Moss,

Are you just throwing in a used FS-DE?You got it. I picked one up back in December a few days after the infamous hole.

No point in building a motor since I'm only planning on running my kit at 8psi. It makes more than enough power for me (and the car, IMO).

[Kansei]

^^ yay someone else who like using the car at a power level reasonable for the chassis and drivetrain

[FunkRider]

If I'm stuck in that situation when the garage door must be slightly open like that I attach some kind of drop sheet to the door. Use something that will drape around the car and make somewhat of a seal. It helps to keep the wind out...a lot.


I've used iridiums plenty. They fouled up long before they were worn out, which is why I won't waste money on them.

Not just in my Protege either, in my Mazda truck too (4.0 Ford Cologne pushrod V6)

lol lovin the trunk parts

Only run coppers or platinum spark plugs in that motor its all they like I've found.

[Mike_Moss]

If I'm stuck in that situation when the garage door must be slightly open like that I attach some kind of drop sheet to the door. Use something that will drape around the car and make somewhat of a seal. It helps to keep the wind out...a lot...My Dad suggested I buy an outdoor temporary garage, put it w/the door facing the house and butt it up to the house. :p

I'll just wait for warmer weather to work on the car. haha

[Scooter]

My Dad suggested I buy an outdoor temporary garage, put it w/the door facing the house and butt it up to the house. :p

I'll just wait for warmer weather to work on the car. haha

dude...better yet....build another house in front of your current house, and attach an indoor pool in front of the garage, then invite all sorts of skanky hot chicks and the boys from the club so we can oggle and make rude / innappropriate jokes and gestures.

[Junior]

I heard Moss has a stalker. Any truth to the rumors?

(Something about leaving a lawn chair out on garbage day)

[Scooter]

is said stalker well insulated? You know....like any good garage is....

[viper_707]

this isnt gonna take as long as the gt is it???? :p

[Mike_Moss]

^ Quit being so jealous of my V6 GT. :p (hehe, just kiddin'...it's still going to get assembled, it's hard to find time for it when you've got a lot on the go and don't really need the car in the first place. LOL)

As for the MP3, I'm happy it blew up. It's made me realize how easily I can get along w/out a car - and how much money I can actually save by commuting w/my girl.

It's a bit hard to explain, but I view the whole zoom zoom boom quite differently than most in the club. There's a handful of dudes that get where I'm coming from, but the rest (hopefully not you, Devon) seem to be hating the fact that I'm enjoying this.

I find it so much fun, sort of a rebirth of the car. It's actually got me quite excited!

[RicecookerP5]

this isnt gonna take as long as the gt is it???? :p
LMAO!!! I sure hope it doesn't Mike

[rowan]

Subscribed!

[viper_707]

as much as it would suck to miss out in having my car for awhile sinc ei do need it alot. i would still really enjoy rebuilding it. I love doing my own mechanical. so id be with u mike. as it might suck at first id still end up enjoying it. plus the feeling u get once your done and eveything works as it should. nothing can beat that.

Im hoping in the future to have my own hiboost kit and hopefully i'll have it set up for around 250hp. that would be a nice number for myself. while still be reliable for a daily driver in the summer. i wanna do it on a stock block as well but maybe have the rods cryo treated for more strenght. what are u doing with your new engine? just rebuilding it? up grades?


^ Quit being so jealous of my V6 GT. :p (hehe, just kiddin'...it's still going to get assembled, it's hard to find time for it when you've got a lot on the go and don't really need the car in the first place. LOL)

As for the MP3, I'm happy it blew up. It's made me realize how easily I can get along w/out a car - and how much money I can actually save by commuting w/my girl.

It's a bit hard to explain, but I view the whole zoom zoom boom quite differently than most in the club. There's a handful of dudes that get where I'm coming from, but the rest (hopefully not you, Devon) seem to be hating the fact that I'm enjoying this.

I find it so much fun, sort of a rebirth of the car. It's actually got me quite excited!

[FunkRider]

^ Quit being so jealous of my V6 GT. :p (hehe, just kiddin'...it's still going to get assembled, it's hard to find time for it when you've got a lot on the go and don't really need the car in the first place. LOL)

As for the MP3, I'm happy it blew up. It's made me realize how easily I can get along w/out a car - and how much money I can actually save by commuting w/my girl.

It's a bit hard to explain, but I view the whole zoom zoom boom quite differently than most in the club. There's a handful of dudes that get where I'm coming from, but the rest (hopefully not you, Devon) seem to be hating the fact that I'm enjoying this.

I find it so much fun, sort of a rebirth of the car. It's actually got me quite excited!

I'm totally with you on this one. My car has been spared from all the winter salt for the past two winters and now that I have the ball rolling on replacing the transmission (I have the new trans, new clutch kit, stainless clutch line and flywheel machine work is done) I've done a few other ods and ends that don't really need to be done but are nice. I have the door glass out of the car so I can tint them myself, the intake manifold is sitting ony my work bench being ported and I've got a few things here and there in the interior taken out cleaned and replaced. I'm super excited.

[Hwy Demon]

Duffed X10

[Mike_Moss]

as much as it would suck to miss out in having my car for awhile sinc ei do need it alot. i would still really enjoy rebuilding it. I love doing my own mechanical. so id be with u mike. as it might suck at first id still end up enjoying it. plus the feeling u get once your done and eveything works as it should. nothing can beat that.Exactly!!!Im hoping in the future to have my own hiboost kit and hopefully i'll have it set up for around 250hp. that would be a nice number for myself. while still be reliable for a daily driver in the summer. i wanna do it on a stock block as well but maybe have the rods cryo treated for more strenght. what are u doing with your new engine? just rebuilding it? up grades?You should pick up defchino's kit! (You could make back a bit of money by trading some of his parts w/mine + cash, too. ;))

I'm putting a bone-stock FS in. I'll just be running proper gauges now and tuning it as well as a P5 ECU.

[Mike_Moss]

I'm totally with you on this one. My car has been spared from all the winter salt for the past two winters and now that I have the ball rolling on replacing the transmission (I have the new trans, new clutch kit, stainless clutch line and flywheel machine work is done) I've done a few other ods and ends that don't really need to be done but are nice. I have the door glass out of the car so I can tint them myself, the intake manifold is sitting ony my work bench being ported and I've got a few things here and there in the interior taken out cleaned and replaced. I'm super excited.I know the feeling! :cool:

[Mike_Moss]

Duffed X10...that's the reason I haven't had time to work on the car. :o

[OldYellerSpeed]

Did you get the diff welded?

[viper_707]

Exactly!!!You should pick up defchino's kit! (You could make back a bit of money by trading some of his parts w/mine + cash, too. ;))

I'm putting a bone-stock FS in. I'll just be running proper gauges now and tuning it as well as a P5 ECU.


trust me id have it already if i could afford it

[CrazyCaker]

I'm putting a bone-stock FS in. I'll just be running proper gauges now and tuning it as well as a P5 ECU.

Are you sticking with 9 psi? You should be fine, but more then that and I see you doing this all over again eventually.

[Mike_Moss]

Did you get the diff welded?Yep.

Got it welded and machined for the speedo gear. :)

[Mike_Moss]

Are you sticking with 9 psi? You should be fine, but more then that and I see you doing this all over again eventually.Wastegate is set to 8psi.

...what happens happens. :p

[cruisinblackp5]

Wastegate is set to 8psi.

...what happens happens. :p

no boost controller?:p

[Mike_Moss]

Nope. (Not for now, at least... ;))

[Kansei]

you love tempting fate. this is why I have a 5psi wastegate and a boost controller at 7.

to be extra safe wire up an explosive charge on the rod that actuates the wastegate* so if it overboosts you can push a big red button, it'll detonate, and you'll be at ~1psi or less

*assuming internally wastegated I haven't actually seen your turbo setup in person

[Mike_Moss]

Correct, internal.

Boost controller and 440's are on my 'maybe' list that I'll be reviewing after the car is together and running well...anything else you guys recommend?

[distr0]

you needs external wastegate with open dump... i've never heard a protege that sounds like pure evil before :D

[Mike_Moss]

My attempt at sounding pure evil (w/an ever-so-slightly slipping stock clutch :p):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dRyzorViIVg

[Kansei]

you needs external wastegate with open dump... i've never heard a protege that sounds like pure evil before :D

lol.. open downpipe (i.e. a 1" s-pipe) protege:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oGlnR_wxhqs

[yellowmsp03.5]

kansei what BOV do you have.. sounds good

i have an external wastgate and electric cutout about a foot after the turbo... when i open up the dump it sounds amazing.. just listening to the turbo wind down and spool up is the best sound ever

[imo000]

kansei what BOV do you have.. sounds good

i have an external wastgate and electric cutout about a foot after the turbo... when i open up the dump it sounds amazing.. just listening to the turbo wind down and spool up is the best sound ever

Having the cutout so close to the turbo, you don't have problems with overboosting/spiking?

[yellowmsp03.5]

no spiking at all... i dont understand why you would.. what are your reasons for this?

[yellowmsp03.5]

i dont see how this has any effect on boost.. the wastegate keeps the boost constant the whole time... open or closed.. thats how it should be

only difference is when its open it is a lot quicker spooling and gains 12whp at 5psi, never dyno'd it at 12psi with it open.. and its not like my exhaust is restrictive by any means.. i have a TB 3" with very few bends and a high flow cat and resonator and gutted muffler

[Kansei]

kansei what BOV do you have.. sounds good

i have an external wastgate and electric cutout about a foot after the turbo... when i open up the dump it sounds amazing.. just listening to the turbo wind down and spool up is the best sound ever

It's the HKS SSQV with the "low tone" purple insert that gets rid of most of the loud annoying whistle.

It sounds great with the windows down. Sadly my camera can't capture the sound it makes worth a crap..

[yellowmsp03.5]

cool...

ok back to mikes MP3 :)

[Kansei]

he best be working on it right now

[Mike_Moss]

Put in a bit of work, my that rod got ***ked up. LOL!

[distr0]

Put in a bit of work, my that rod got ***ked up. LOL!

pics??

[solo.]

pics??

Agreed! PICS!

[Mike_Moss]

...they will come...haven't had much personal time on the comp lately...but they will be posted eventually!

[Hwy Demon]

dude you doing this anytime soon? Perhaps before I do mine? Maybe I can come by and watch or help out where Im needed. I can get great coffee and I have a great skill on how to crack jokes and break things?

[Mike_Moss]

I've been putting the time in on odd hours, when I can...but I'll give you a shout if I need a hand!

[KJS]

Updates?

Possibly after this weekend updates? Pics? :D

[FunkRider]

Updates? Mine is all done and running. :P Battery is dead as shit though.

[azn_outlaw]

Good luck on the rebuild....

When you said 8psi is well enough, is a suggestion of 10 psi considered well beyond specs or overkill, I would have thought 12 psi is the start of beyond specs and maybe you can call it overkill....but thats just my suggestion

but good luck and hope to see it on the streets again...

[Mike_Moss]

I gotta upload some photos.

But I did spend some time dismantling and cleaning out the intake mani this weekend. There were quite a bit of metal chunks in there not to mention about a cup of oil/coolant.

[Mike_Moss]

Here's a few photos from the teardown last weekend...

Hmmm...what do we have here? Without this bracket, A/C compressor would've been toast!
http://img169.imageshack.us/img169/8624/img2924cu6.jpg

Alternators not required for air-cooled FS'
http://img169.imageshack.us/img169/9845/img2927bh9.jpg

...at least it isn't upside down! :p Note crack in cylinder wall. :)
http://img359.imageshack.us/img359/4297/img2930ug4.jpg

MBSP took the brunt, saved my oil-pan. This rod is spent.
http://img169.imageshack.us/img169/2503/img2936rx2.jpg

An FS-DE rod's window to freedom...
http://img301.imageshack.us/img301/7335/img2938rj3.jpg

A/C compressor bracket removed, pieces fall out, straight chillin'.
http://img63.imageshack.us/img63/6817/img2942zs5.jpg

[CrazyCaker]

Dude you got a coolant leak! :p

[Mike_Moss]

'sall good...my air-cooled FS-DE doesn't need coolant.

[FunkRider]

Ah, so you got the engine block perferated at the same time as your lawn?

[KJS]

:eek: Crack in the cylinder wall

Badoink! :(

[Mike_Moss]

Ah, so you got the engine block perferated at the same time as your lawn?hahaha

"My grass has never been greener!":eek: Crack in the cylinder wall

Badoink! :(I'm rather proud of that crack! :)

[prot3g3]

good that your getting progress done. it will be nice when its all said and done

+1 for the zoom zoom boom club

[Mike_Moss]

Big shouts to Herman @ Cherry Turbos for answering some questions I had regarding my IHI VF-22!!! :D

I spent 5mins on the phone with him and he completely schooled me up to speed on the inner-workings of turbochargers and even provided some of his own excellent analogies.

http://www.cherryturbos.com/images/graphics/turbologo.gifhttp://www.cherryturbos.com/images/graphics/cherryturboslogotans.gif
http://www.cherryturbos.com/

He also informed me that with a few simple checks, I can determine how bad (if at all) my turbo took a beating when the motor let go. He tends to think it'll be fine.

Woohoo! :D

[Mike_Moss]

And of course, big thanks to those who suggested I contact Cherry. :)

[cruisinblackp5]

Herman is the man

[FunkRider]

I have nothing but great things to say about cherry turbos also! Saved my friend many a dollaroo$$$.

[starscream]

u need more wood for that motor...tree chopping mike ;) lol

[Mike_Moss]

Well, the bitch is back!

...and damn, is it nice to cruise around in a car that I practically rebuilt. I must admit I couldn't stop smiling yesterday when I took it out for it's maiden voyage as this has been a long, constant build with a lot of unknowns.

The questionable motor seems to be performing well, the LSD seems to be performing well, the car is running quite rich and I'll be babying it until Tuesday when I take it down to DL Motorsports to get it tuned. Hasn't seen more than ~5psi yet.

I'm all about enjoying it right now and find myself cruising around at 50kph in the city and 105kph on the highway just milking it.

Thanks to all the dudes that I bounced ideas/concerns/requests off of - much appreciated!!!

[RicecookerP5]

great news!

[CulRidr]

Awesome Mike! Glad you got her going. Where did you put the destroyed block? Hopefully in the garage as a nice reminder of all the work you put into the car?

[Spin_E!]

CONGRATS DUDE!!!!! Enjoy the long weekend with the car back!

[Mike_Moss]

Awesome Mike! Glad you got her going. Where did you put the destroyed block? Hopefully in the garage as a nice reminder of all the work you put into the car?It's awaiting teardown once I get appropriate cutting tools and time. LOL

Once I've dissected it to my liking, I will probably scrap it.CONGRATS DUDE!!!!! Enjoy the long weekend with the car back!I took it out for a cruise yesterday once it was completed, then last night to the meet and that's pretty much it. It's back at home and will remain there all weekend as I'm going up north to fish like a drink.

[raghtal]

Awesome dude. Glad to hear your hard work and attention to detail has paid off.

[Junior]

Great news, Mike!

Glad to see the latest addition to the BLUE UNIT, back on the road.

[Mike_Moss]

haha / WTF / asshole

[Spin_E!]

Even if your not driving it for the weekend you'll have the peice of mind knowing it'll be ready for a drive when you get back... I wish I waited around long enough to see it last night

[CrazyCaker]

Sweet!

Did you get rid of the MP3 ecu this time around, and get a WB02?

[Mike_Moss]

Still running the MP3 ECU at the moment. Going to tune and see what up.

Yes, I now have a W/B - and a boost gauge for that matter! hahaha


Tuning is booked for Tuesday at DL Motorsports, PM if you wanna come watch.

[yellowmsp03.5]

Thanks to all the dudes that I bounced ideas/concerns/requests off of - much appreciated!!!


your welcome.. dont mention it pal haha :)

[angeloTNT]

Tuning is booked for Tuesday at DL Motorsports, PM if you wanna come watch.

looking good mike, saw it last night and was suprised to see it! good job.. i was at DL Motorsports today they seemed fairly busy, good thing you made an appointment.

[Spin_E!]

Not sure if I can make it Tuesday but do you have anything you can record video with??? Good luck and enjoy!

[Mike_Moss]

A member has offered to come out and record, so is he comes out, vids will be shot/posted.

[Mike_Moss]

I've rescheduled my appointment at DL for next Tuesday May 27th.

Cut it a bit short and need to swap ECU's before tuning.

[evil_y2k_twin]

damn, gonna miss the tuning next week.

[Scooter]

Shit, i missed this post. going to cruise out and see if still there! lol

take your time cruising there....you might get there in time to catch him NEXT Tuesday ;)

[raghtal]

A member has offered to come out and record, so is he comes out, vids will be shot/posted.
I hope the vid you pick (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bf3IVGyCIeM&feature=related) is a winner...


DLM is 10 mins from my house. When are you going to be there on Tuesday?

[evil_y2k_twin]

take your time cruising there....you might get there in time to catch him NEXT Tuesday ;)

you caught it just before i edited it!

[Mike_Moss]

Car is officially on the road, ECU's are swapped, no CEL yet.

Fitted gauges (Boost, EGT, Oil Temp.) but only Boost is functional. None are illuminated. I never really wanted to be 'that guy', running gauges that didn't work, but we got a race school this weekend and I needed at least a Boost gauge and didn't want two holes in my dash. :o

I also installed my Alpine XDA-x001 this weekend. (Same deck that SuperDave is rockin'.) It's a solid piece of machinery and a vision of the future. Good by to CD's, digital media only! I also noticed while installing that it was considerably lighter than the Kenwood KDC-X859. Didn't bother weighing them, but the car is more go than show, so I'm happy with the weight savings!

To note, I put the gauges up top and the deck on the bottom. (Where the MSP-style pocket w/door is normally on the MP3's).

[Logan]

um, you put priority on installing a new deck for a race school?

[P5 Rally]

how much do you want for your MP3 ecu?

[Mike_Moss]

um, you put priority on installing a new deck for a race school?I did it LAST! What else did you expect me to do? :p

...and yes, I did have the deck on my To Do list, the race school is at Calabogie - that's a long drive without tunes!!! A dangerous drive back when I'm tired, too.


But guess what, the school is cancelled.

[Mike_Moss]

how much do you want for your MP3 ecu?It's already found a new home in a famous Yellow P5 once owned by Jason, now sporting an MP3 motor.

[murda]

It's already found a new home in a famous Yellow P5 once owned by Jason, now sporting an MP3 motor.

Only yellow P5's are allowed to swap to MP3 ecu's here.:p

[Mike_Moss]

Oh snap!

[Mike_Moss]

Well that was interesting...long story short, I learned a bunch about tuning, backed off a crap load of fuel and above 5000 RPM at full boost (8psi) I'm running at 96% duty cycle. Time for 440's.

Thanks to the goons that came out.

By the amount of cameras, I'm sure there will be a load of stuff posted.

[solo.]

Well that was interesting...long story short, I learned a bunch about tuning, backed off a crap load of fuel and above 5000 RPM at full boost (8psi) I'm running at 96% duty cycle. Time for 440's.

Thanks to the goons that came out.

By the amount of cameras, I'm sure there will be a load of stuff posted.

So you were only tuning with fuel only? Yup, 5000rpm is the sweet spot for fuel cut when I'm boosting in 11psi.:eek:

How are your A/F ratios throughout the power band?

Check Toronto Subaru Club as 440's will be cheap!

[midnitehour]

why would you cut fuel at 5000rpm? (newb question)
I understand you'd want to keep fuel at the right AFR 12.7? so at higher boost pressures wouldn't you need more fuel to prevent kaboom?

[CrazyCaker]

^ Injectors can't keep up.

[midnitehour]

^ Injectors can't keep up.

... so do a fuel cut so that the ecu doesn't think that there's more fuel going to the motor than there is, because the injectors can't deliver that fuel.
then the ecu cuts down the amount of boost as well so that it doesn't go lean..

am i on the right track there?

[CulRidr]

that's the idea ;)
call it automatic "zoom zoom boom" protection :P

[Spin_E!]

I don't know if I missed it mike but any report on the hp #'s with the current set up? I'd just be interested as a point of reference

[yellowmsp03.5]

the injectors were at 96% at 4600RPM so we stopped the tuning pretty much.. never actually put an RPM/boost cap on it..

Mike is just driving it easy and under 5000RPM until he gets the 440s in because when you run with injectors that close to 100% then you start running lean since they are at capacity and cant dump the extra fuel needed for the power.

he will be going back with the 440cc injectors and retuning to around 220-230whp to keep it reasonably safe with a modest tune. Mike (the tuner) figures at 10psi he would be around 240-250whp so its going to be tuned more conservative to keep the power down.

ill let Mike post the official numbers as its his pride and joy.. but ill give you a hint.. its higher then the stock msp bhp :)

[CulRidr]

ill let Mike post the official numbers as its his pride and joy.. but ill give you a hint.. its higher then the stock msp bhp :)

Thanks for nothing...LOL. You would HOPE it was higher then that :p

[yellowmsp03.5]

why.. its a smaller turbo on the stock block..

whats the MP3 dyno at stock?? 105-110whp?? maybe

so above 170 is an amazing increase in power for what mike has done to the car..

and all this power was before 5000rpm dont forget..

[CulRidr]

why.. its a smaller turbo on the stock block..

whats the MP3 dyno at stock?? 105-110whp?? maybe

so above 170 is an amazing increase in power for what mike has done to the car..

and all this power was before 5000rpm dont forget..
Didn't realize the hiboost kit used a smaller turber then the gt25XX...my bad (with foot in mouth).
Looking forward to the dyno graphs though that's for sure :)

[Mike_Moss]

haha, awesome Scott!

Scott was a huge help last night with an endless amount of statistics and information.

http://img253.imageshack.us/img253/2056/mikemoss20080527dynovb9.jpg

On the plus side, the car is idling so much better and drives a lot smoother. :)

[Mike_Moss]

Didn't realize the hiboost kit used a smaller turber then the gt25XX...my bad (with foot in mouth).
Looking forward to the dyno graphs though that's for sure :)Not sure I'm going to contest Scott on whether it's larger/smaller than the MSP turbo, but what I do know is it's suited excellently for the FS!

I can only imagine the power I was making (and the boost I must have been at) for the 14 months I ran the kit. LOL It was nice! :)

[cruisinblackp5]

who cares about hp, love that tq

[Mike_Moss]

... so do a fuel cut so that the ecu doesn't think that there's more fuel going to the motor than there is, because the injectors can't deliver that fuel.
then the ecu cuts down the amount of boost as well so that it doesn't go lean..

am i on the right track there?Jeff, I think you got your answer, but I should've outlined my setup a bit better. I'm running the Haltech F10 Fuel (Full Stand-Alone). It's controlling the injectors based on a MAP sensor, Coolant sensor and Intake Air Temp sensor. Anyway, my situation is a bit different than most MSP's and their fuel cut issues.

[yellowmsp03.5]

i never said it was small at all.. i would say its right around the same size if not a touch bigger. but i dont know the specs on it..

but when hes hitting 180 at the wheels at less then 5000rpm and the msp sits at high 140-low 150 at the wheels at like 6200rpm??? mikes doing pretty good haha

[Mike_Moss]

You sound happier than me about the session. haha

[prot3g3]

those are some really nice numbers, makes me feel stupid at how slow my car really is.

when you get those injectors in, you will be throwing up some even nicer numbers! excellent work, hope it all stays together and no more zoom zoom boom!

[OldYellerSpeed]

nicely done boys lets get those 440 installed before we voteban

[snafu]

Nice!

That's quite the power upgrade and seems like a perfect match for the Protege's chassis unlike some people who feel the need for 300-400whp...:p

[yellowmsp03.5]

is that some kinda fat joke?

or maybe it was a stab at me???

either way, i hate you! haha

[snafu]

is that some kinda fat joke?

or maybe it was a stab at me???

either way, i hate you! haha

Fat joke!? No!

A stab at you of course! Jeeze:p


Sort of on/off topic, what size of front tires can you guys run?

[yellowmsp03.5]

depends who you ask.. everyone says 225 on a 7.5 rim is ABSOLUTELY max.. but i did my math and fgiured out a perfect width/offset/tire equation where im gonna be running 17x8.5 rims and a 245 tire :)

[cruisinblackp5]

awww yeah 245s, what kind of track tires are you looking at. Oh snap too far off topic

[yellowmsp03.5]

prob MT's or Hoosiers

[Gen1GT]

Mike, you should have done your build the smart way from the beginning...

BP-ZE buddy! First V6 in the club, and first BP 3rd gen! Haha! :lol:

Good to see you're back up and running again, however. Mike Diel is a great guy, so he'll get you all sorted out when you get those injectors.

[Gen1GT]

depends who you ask.. everyone says 225 on a 7.5 rim is ABSOLUTELY max.. but i did my math and fgiured out a perfect width/offset/tire equation where im gonna be running 17x8.5 rims and a 245 tire :)

To add to your point...late 90's, early 00's Maxima SE's had 225's on 6.5" rims. I put 225/50/14 Hoosier road race tires on my stock Protege GT wheels. 5.5" wide FTW.

[Mike_Moss]

Thanks Josh!

Picked up some stock WRX injectors on Friday, they're rated at 440cc.

Now to find the time to put them in, clean up the maps and then get it re-tuned.

I'll also be looking at wastegate options to have it set around 6psi.

[Kansei]

take a stock wastegate from a low boost car and have the rod welded to the right length and a bracket made to mount it :)

6psi = ftw

[yellowmsp03.5]

you make that sound soo easy chris haha..

[Kansei]

it only took like an hour or so and cost me $0

if I so desire I can have 5psi, but I keep it at 6.5

[Mike_Moss]

While I am not sure of the history of the motor I purchased, I believe I have compelling evidence to show that it is likely a 2003 motor. :yes:

Exhibit A: 3005C TSB Specimen w/Photos (VTCS/VICS Recall) (http://www.toprotege.com/forums/showthread.php?t=42321)

[Kansei]

yeah that's enough evidence I'd say. I didn't do a count myself, are all the screws accounted for?

[prot3g3]

yeah that's enough evidence I'd say. I didn't do a count myself, are all the screws accounted for?


Synopsis: This intake manifold was from the motor I purchased to replace the blown motor in my car (http://www.toprotege.com/forums/showthread.php?t=39892). After removing the intake manifold from the new motor (to swap with the MP3 intake manifold that was on my blown motor), I noticed a jingling sound coming from the manifold. I brought the manifold over to the bench and moved it around, out came a few screws. I then disassembled the manifold to find the butterflies and more screws. All screws and butterflies were accounted for.

Conclusion: Should your vehicle fall within the VIN range of vehicles affected, visit your dealer immediately!

...

[Mike_Moss]

yeah that's enough evidence I'd say. I didn't do a count myself, are all the screws accounted for?Six were jingling in the manifold and two were still in the VICS rod.

[Kansei]

...

thanks. I was running out the door and didn't even really have time to check the pics nvm actually read anything

Six were jingling in the manifold and two were still in the VICS rod.

nice. VTCS everything was ok?

[Mike_Moss]

nice. VTCS everything was ok?Yes.

[vtec-this]

440s for 6psi?

[Mike_Moss]

440cc for what I'm running now. I haven't decided what I'm going to do about all this yet. I'm even contemplating running stock MSP exhaust.

I've got to make a call to Cherry Turbos to see what they recommend in the likes of a waste gate so that I can bring down the boost.

My goal is 200whp, reliable & with room for abuse. That is the number because I don't think a stock FS can take much more when driven hard.

Actually, my goal with the car when I decided to HiBoost it was to outperform an MSP for less money than if I were to buy one. Which the car has done easily.

[Mike_Moss]

Thoughts/suggestions welcome!

[CrazyCaker]

I think that's pretty good goals for what you want out of the car. The 440s are perfect imo.

Are you going to do anything to address the oil flow issues the FS has?

[Mike_Moss]

Nope! :) (Maybe on the next motor should I require one.)

[CrazyCaker]

Well at least it won't be because of too much boost if the motor blows again! :p

[cruisinblackp5]

sounds good, looking forward to hearing more progress

[MSP-D]

how much did it take in total to rebuild your MP3 after the motor was blowN??

[Mike_Moss]

About five months! :lol:

[MSP-D]

About five months! :lol:

i meant about how much did you spend to get all the parts for your car after the blown engine, lol:p

[Mike_Moss]

Depends, I also did installed improvements.

But really, all I needed was a new motor; they can be had for ~$500 without looking too hard. Cheaper if you're lucky. (I was lucky)

[Mike_Moss]

Removed my 3" exhaust on Canada Day and put the stock MP3 exhaust back on.

Much quieter, more torque-y in the low end and still spools quick enough to evacuate rods.

Spool in the high end has slowed down some, but it is not really a big deal to me how quickly I can accelerate above 120 kph. (With the 3" 200 came DAMN quick!)

One of these days I'll be getting a bung put onto the downpipe and sending my wastegate to Cherry Turbos to get rebuilt for a lower pressure setting. Then I will install a wideband, my 440's and tune.

All of the above should be done by September if work/life/priorities allow.

[FunkRider]

(P.S. I suck at getting that video captured from the dyno night)

[Mike_Moss]

Haha, YES! You do! (No worries though!)

[MS MSP]

Removed my 3" exhaust on Canada Day and put the stock MP3 exhaust back on.

Isn't that creating one heck of a bottleneck?

[Kansei]

Isn't that creating one heck of a bottleneck?

no more of a bottleneck than an MSP exhaust (a little bit less actually, just one cat in the midpipe)

[Mike_Moss]

Here's a shot I should've posted a long time ago, but haven't had much time to upload:
http://img507.imageshack.us/img507/9661/img5052platelessvw0.jpg

Thanks for taking photos, Greg! I've had this as my background ever since! :)

[Mike_Moss]

FunkRider came through with an awesome preview of the dyno vid to come:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Th45hArftM

Thanks again, Ian!!! :)

[viper_707]

wtf was scott doing????

[Spyder01]

Next time let me know yooo I'll come take picssss :D

[midnitehour]

LOL

"I blew my motor at around 5k on this MAP"

nice..

[FunkRider]

LOL

"I blew my motor at around 5k on this MAP"

nice..

That part really stood out to me so I thought I'd add it in. lol

[angeloTNT]

very nice vid... hope you take video's on TOP Dyno Days july 26 :)

[Mike_Moss]

So I think now I want a mid-pipe. What I need is something that is 2.5", catted (that can withstand heat) that will mate up with the ball-type joint after the J-Pipe to the cat-back portion.

The HiBoost kit comes with a downpipe that mates up to the OE exhaust, this is what I am running now and why I am looking for a mid-pipe.

For clarification, I would require the mid-pipe on the bottom of this image (black):
http://siteground207.com/~protegeg/images/sls%20midpipe.JPG

So what do you guys recommend? I was also contemplating buying a metal core cat and having Zoro slap something together.

[CrazyCaker]

I was also contemplating buying a metal core cat and having Zoro slap something together.

I like that route. Don't forget to add the flex section.

[Kansei]

yeah the pre-built midpipes like that (such as the MAM on my car.. love it) with cat get expensive. I think SLS sells it with cat and flexpipe (but no j-pipe) --ProtegeGarage I believe has their own?

But yeah if you can find a competent welder you can definitely get something made there for way less than it'd cost to buy it + ship it to Canada.

[Mike_Moss]

Seen. Seems like Zoro is the recommended route.

Keep the comments coming, I shall update!

[Logan]

...waiting for update on 440's and tuning...

[Mike_Moss]

Not proceeding with 440s until I do the mid-pipe.

Also need to send my wastegate to Cherry to have it checked and possibly lowered a psi or two depending on Herman's findings. (I believe it is sticking, which is why it is spiking to 13psi.)

After mid-pipe and wastegate will be wideband + 440s and I will rough tune shortly followed by DL fine tuning.

Also, I would appreciate input in what type of gauge I should use instead of my EGT gauge. I have decided not to go with EGT due to install constraints of the HiBoost setup.

To recall, I am currently "running" a triple gauge DIN pod above my head unit with Boost, EGT and Oil Temp.

I currently own an NGK AFX wideband, but if no suitable gauge is found for the triple pod, I could always use an AEM UEGO wideband instead to fill the pod.

Discuss pls. :)

[CrazyCaker]

What's the constraints that prevent you from installing an EGT probe because of the Hiboost kit?

[Mike_Moss]

The manifold is cast iron which makes it a bitch to install the probe in. It's cracked once (possibly due to ceramic coating), and I don't want to crack my new one. I thought of welding the old one and putting the EGT probe in there, but decided it was a waste of time/money/effort after looking into it.

Putting the EGT probe anywhere but in the manifold is pointless, so I've decided to ditch it. I also don't think it is absolutely required with my setup other than during tuning.

I'm running the Stewart Warner Competition line of gauges in the pod currently, so I'd like to stick with those. The remaining gauges I believe to be suitable for my setup would be Fuel Pressure, Oil Pressure and Trans. Temp. I like the idea of Trans. Temp. but would have to do some investigating on a suitable location for the sender.

[CrazyCaker]

The manifold is cast iron which makes it a bitch to install the probe in. It's cracked once (possibly due to ceramic coating), and I don't want to crack my new one. I thought of welding the old one and putting the EGT probe in there, but decided it was a waste of time/money/effort after looking into it.

Yeah I wouldn't risk it either.

Putting the EGT probe anywhere but in the manifold is pointless, so I've decided to ditch it. I also don't think it is absolutely required with my setup other than during tuning.

My thoughts exactly, although many will argue that just after the turbo is ok too. I have mine mounted right in the collector of the manifold.

WB will be fine for you. I find I use it a hell of a lot more then the EGT.

[Kansei]

I know how you feel about drilling into the hiboost manifold.. mine is in the MSP manifold right at the collector, it's at least 20mm thick where I drilled >_<

Oil pressure? You have the NGK wideband right?

[Logan]

I like the idea of Trans. Temp. but would have to do some investigating on a suitable location for the sender.

Do you recall where one of Brian's trannys is drilled on the bottom for the cooler line? I think that would be a good place to drill n tap for a sender.

[Mike_Moss]

Oil Press. is a candidate, but I don't know how useful it will be other than telling me when the pump is dying or I'm in a corner and the pump is sucking air. But at that point I'm probably not keeping an eye on the gauges, so whats the point?

Oil Temp. is directly related to Oil Press. too, so I thought it less necessary.

Judging on the amount of transmissions Sibbitt Motorsports went through, was the reason I brought up Trans. Temp. It may be worthwhile for track days as it will tell me when I may be pushing the transmission a bit too much and I should get off the track.

I appreciate the input guise!

[FunkRider]

Here are another options to use for wideband monitoring.
http://www.14point7.com/JAW/JAW.htm

Also are you sure your getting boost creep or boost spike?
http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/articles-turbo-system-intercooler/96678-boost-spike-vs-boost-creep.html

[Mike_Moss]

Here are another options to use for wideband monitoring.
http://www.14point7.com/JAW/JAW.htm

Also are you sure your getting boost creep or boost spike?
http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/articles-turbo-system-intercooler/96678-boost-spike-vs-boost-creep.html
I already have a wideband, NGK, just trying to figure out if I should use it, or if I can't find a suitable gauge for my triple pod, I shall use an AEM gauge type wideband.

Spike for sure. It ramps up to ~11-13psi and then settles at 8psi. It was doing this on the dyno at DL.

Just prior to putting the stock exhaust back on, I took the car for a few hard runs on the highway and noticed that it was spiking to 13psi. Shortly after those few bursts, the wastegate then started performing normally rising and sustaining 8psi. That was when I started thinking it was sticking somehow.

[Kansei]

the NGK does have analog outputs (a 1-5 or 0-5v... can't remember what it is. there's two analog output wires though, not sure what the other is for) so you could buy just a wideband gauge from a place like innovate if you wanted to get the ngk in for now and 'upgrade' it later

[yoshitu]

Your car still isn't back together yet? Doesn't the wife want her Yaris back already? Haha. How's it going?

[Mike_Moss]

Car has been back together since April.

Usually drive it 3-4 times a week to meets or errands.

Still doesn't get better gas mileage than the Yaris. :(

[dead_cactus]

What kind of mileage do you get with the Yaris?

[Mike_Moss]

My best was around 800kms on a tank (around 40L).

Average in the city is around 600kms, depending on how you drive it.

It does better than the MP3.

[dead_cactus]

My best was around 800kms on a tank (around 40L).

Average in the city is around 600kms, depending on how you drive it.

It does better than the MP3.

Thats pretty good. About 5L/100km

[yoshitu]

I miss my Echo HB for that very reason...

[Mike_Moss]

Been a while since update...

DONE OVER THE PAST MONTH wheels Enkei RPF1 (17 x 7.5) tires Dunlop Direzza Sport Z1 Star Spec (215/45) oil filter sandwich plate thanks Scott (yellowmsp03.5) oil pressure & temp gauges thanks wiring wizard Dave (superdave) NGK AFX thanks wiring wizard Dave (superdave) 440cc WRX injectors brake fluid ELF Moto 5.1 battery Odyssey PC680

[dead_cactus]

Nice. Got some pics with the new wheels?

[CulRidr]

Nice choice of tires...and rims for that matter!

[Mike_Moss]

No pics yet, no tiem. :(

[yellowmsp03.5]

Who cares how it looks?? How's it drive?? How'd the dyno go? Numbers?

[CrazyCaker]

Who cares how it looks?? How's it drive?? How'd the dyno go? Numbers?

agreed.

[armykiddd666]

i second that agrement :p

[Mike_Moss]

I'll let y'all know soon enough after its tuned. ;)

[Brian MP5T]

I think that is the first time I have seen Cyl #1 Go..

Normally it's 2 or 3.

[FunkRider]

I'll let y'all know soon enough after its tuned. ;)

Damn Impallas!

[FunkRider]

BTW Mike I did some digging and I'm 80% sure you have an IHI VF23 and 100% sure its a subaru fitmant.

Good to know in case you need a replacement in a hurry as any stock mount turbo from a Subie will fit. Tdo4 13T (stock wrx) turbo's can be had for under $200 with no shaft play. Also subaru turbos are oil/water cooled and as long as the water lines are connected and working turbo timing is not needed.

"IHI VF23
(388cfm at 18psi, 250-325awhp, Bolt-On)
This is the standard equipment turbocharger used on the JDM Subaru Impreza WRX STi 22b. The VF23 is a ball bearing turbocharger that utilizes the P20 exhaust housing like the VF22. This housing is mated with the smaller compressor housing of the VF24 for fast response and excellent low and mid-range performance. It does not have the same top end power of the VF22, but spools up slightly quicker.
Expect to achieve full boost with the proper mods and a quality tune between 2800-3300rpms. 2002-2005 WRX owners will need fuel upgrades for this turbocharger and proper engine management is highly recommended for all vehicles."

[Mike_Moss]

BTW Mike I did some digging and I'm 80% sure you have an IHI VF23 and 100% sure its a subaru fitmant.

Good to know in case you need a replacement in a hurry as any stock mount turbo from a Subie will fit. Tdo4 13T (stock wrx) turbo's can be had for under $200 with no shaft play. Also subaru turbos are oil/water cooled and as long as the water lines are connected and working turbo timing is not needed.

"IHI VF23
(388cfm at 18psi, 250-325awhp, Bolt-On)
This is the standard equipment turbocharger used on the JDM Subaru Impreza WRX STi 22b. The VF23 is a ball bearing turbocharger that utilizes the P20 exhaust housing like the VF22. This housing is mated with the smaller compressor housing of the VF24 for fast response and excellent low and mid-range performance. It does not have the same top end power of the VF22, but spools up slightly quicker.
Expect to achieve full boost with the proper mods and a quality tune between 2800-3300rpms. 2002-2005 WRX owners will need fuel upgrades for this turbocharger and proper engine management is highly recommended for all vehicles."
It's stamped VF22...I checked the last time I had it off and noted it. I'm pretty sure I took a photo as well, but it isn't on this computer.

[FunkRider]

The VF22 is fairly similar, just moves more air with Minimal lag increase.

"IHI VF22
(490cfm at 18.0psi, 250-325whp, Bolt-On)
This is the standard equipment turbocharger used on the JDM V3 Subaru Impreza WRXhttp://images.intellitxt.com/ast/adTypes/2a.gif (http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1141476#) and optional on the JDM Subaru Impreza WRX STi 22b. Of all the IHI models, the VF22 has the largest potential for peak horsepower, and is capable of supporting the highest boost levels. It is capable of running up to 25 psi. The VF22 is a roller bearing turbo that utilizes the P20 exhaust housing.
Expect to achieve full boost with the proper mods and a quality tune between 3200-3700rpms. 2002-2005 WRX owners will need fuel upgrades for this turbocharger and proper engine management is highly recommended for all vehicles.
NASIOC Member powerlabs Results (http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1001613)
Purchase $800 (http://www.gruppe-s.com/Subaru/subeng.htm)"

[Mike_Moss]

190whp/201wtq safely

Still lots of fine tuning to be done, but the base has been set.

Car is running 7-8psi.

Off to the track!

[raghtal]

190whp/201wtq safely

Still lots of fine tuning to be done, but the base has been set.

Car is running 7-8psi.

Off to the track!

Noice!

[Mike_Moss]

Lots of runs done Thursday night, 5 hours tuning. This was the outcome:
http://img25.imageshack.us/img25/7673/scan20090421230655.jpg
011 - Highest power pull; some detonation so the I lifted at 5500.
012 - Added more fuel to the high end; good numbers; safe.
013 - This pull was hot to simulate racing conditions; still great numbers; still safe.

Wideband wasn't hooked up as we were tuning with my own wideband.


Anyone know what happens at 5500RPM on the stock P5 ECU? (Could've sworn it was something like VICS or VCTS but haven't had the chance to look it up yet.)

[CrazyCaker]

^ nice numbers. I'm pretty sure it's the VICS bs at 5500.

[Mike_Moss]

Thanks, still far from a perfect tune, but its good for now.

My favourite is the torque curve blowing away stock peak torque at less than 2500RPM.

[FunkRider]

011 - Highest power pull; some detonation so the I lifted at 5500.
012 - Added more fuel to the high end; good numbers; safe.
013 - This pull was hot to simulate racing conditions; still great numbers; still safe.

LOL OMG SOME DETONATION?!!!1! You should hear it on video...

I have some draft content you can preview although I'm really not happy with how it all came out. Almost 25 minutes of footage and less than 3 useable minutes of footage I'm not satisfied with. Youtube is also being a PITA with music copy writes these days so i had to goof with the mp3 file some. Its uploading right now.

[kiwee]

glad i could help with this build! how is the fueling now mike?
nice numbers.

[evil_y2k_twin]

LOL OMG SOME DETONATION?!!!1! You should hear it on video...

I have some draft content you can preview although I'm really not happy with how it all came out. Almost 25 minutes of footage and less than 3 useable minutes of footage I'm not satisfied with. Youtube is also being a PITA with music copy writes these days so i had to goof with the mp3 file some. Its uploading right now.

and to think all i did was record 2 vids, and post them up with no editing or music. lol

[FunkRider]

and to think all i did was record 2 vids, and post them up with no editing or music. lol

Your footage came out a lot better than mine because I forgot to set my camera to auto and steady hand mode.

[evil_y2k_twin]

On mine you can't adjust focus or steadyness

[FunkRider]

On mine you can't adjust focus or steadyness

Less things to go wrong! lol

[Mike_Moss]

So yeah, I still have this car. Surprise!

I dropped in an Odyssey PC680 battery long times ago and it is working great. Only downfall is I don't drive the car much so it tends to drain in between drives.

Called Odyssey and they recommended an OMAX-6A-1B charger: http://www.odysseybattery.com/chargers.html

Seems like the battery tender other people were talking about recently.

Still need to repair the front end. Working on gathering some parts.

[viper_707]

what did u do to the front end?

[distr0]

some say he had a run in with chuck norris

[TheMAN]

So yeah, I still have this car. Surprise!

I dropped in an Odyssey PC680 battery long times ago and it is working great. Only downfall is I don't drive the car much so it tends to drain in between drives.

Called Odyssey and they recommended an OMAX-6A-1B charger: http://www.odysseybattery.com/chargers.html

Seems like the battery tender other people were talking about recently.

Still need to repair the front end. Working on gathering some parts.
focus told me to get a ctek instead... I'll be on the hunt on egay for one because I'm a cheap ass


oh btw, my car probably makes as much power or more than yours with less boost.. in this 10 degree or less weather :D

[Mike_Moss]

CTEK seems to be similar to this thing (arrived today)...and was a bit cheaper. Not much, but a bit. 5 year warranty on it, too.

Probably? Or you had it dyno'd? ;)

[991.8l]

some say he had a run in with chuck norris


Chuck norris steps out of the road for no one.

http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u139/exxz_ohhz/chuck-norris-002.jpg

[CrazyCaker]

Should have known better then to ***k with chuck.

[starscream]

Theres only 1 man that can ***k with Chuck Norris and win... David Hasselhoff!

[TheMAN]

CTEK seems to be similar to this thing (arrived today)...and was a bit cheaper. Not much, but a bit. 5 year warranty on it, too.

Probably? Or you had it dyno'd? ;)
probably because the car was dyno'd on a muggy day... I'll try to get another one done sometime in the near future while it's still cold ;)

[Mike_Moss]

Cool! I'd love to see some updates to your car! Last time I saw something on it it wasn't even turbo'd.

Pls2start Club Project thread!

[pro5dippin]

Theres only 1 man that can ***k with Chuck Norris and win... David Hasselhoff!

http://www.wearyourbeer.com/images/Hasselhoff_Dont_Hassle_Brown_Hoodie.jpg


http://www.geektyrant.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/nickfurylive_100grana.jpg

[Mike_Moss]

Car's been chillin' since the Creemore cruise.

Been meaning to bust her out soon though.

Hoping to find time for an oil change and some tuning in the next week.

[Mike_Moss]

Took it out last night. Sad to say I'm no longer rockin' summers. :(

Did a few hours of cruising around and tuning. Making progress!!!

[Mike_Moss]

222UGE progress yesterday. Spent many a tiem tuning...getting good!

Anyone know what the e-test is like. There's curb idle and then 2500RPM on the dyno, right? Is that under load?

Is it safe to assume if I've got it at 14.7 I'll pass?

Last thing, if anyone knows an Emissions test centre that will let me sit in the car while the test is being done, please PM me. Then I can just pull crap loads of fuel to pass. LOL

[CrazyCaker]

Careful there! Pull too much fuel and your NOx will not pass. It's pretty tricky to get it just right, trust me I know and tried. There are "other" options available...

[myprotege5]

yes under load

[Azi]

is it 2500 RPM or 50km/h?

[00bluees]

i think its a speed. somewhere around 40 or 50. i remember my two cars got tested this year and the speed was the same but the rpms were different.

[CrazyCaker]

It's 40km.hr.

[myprotege5]

i always thought it was rpm
at my buddys shop we put the sniffer in the pipe put it in drive press on gas and brake and let it rev at 2000-3000 for 20 seconds and see what the device is reading for the pre test

[Mike_Moss]

i always thought it was rpm
at my buddys shop we put the sniffer in the pipe put it in drive press on gas and brake and let it rev at 2000-3000 for 20 seconds and see what the device is reading for the pre testOn the roller or just doing a brake stand?

Would your buddy let me get on the machine to see what my readings are?

[myprotege5]

a brake stand
pm me and ill see what i can do

[kz9]

I ran 14.7 afr's and also me and my buddy used the machine for 3 hours and still could not get it under the specs. We ended up running a neon in my cars place.

[CulRidr]

As stated above, AFRs really don't mean much. My car will run very close to that when warmed up, but still spits fuel like nobodys business right now and something tells me that would make me fail :P (need to figure out the best solution for that; something tells me I need to play with my spark plug gapping).

[FunkRider]

You can lean the idle out since they do not test for NOx on idle. The engine should be fine up to mid 15's on idle. Hell on my subie my target AFRs are 15 flat for closed loop mode I'm not quite sure how much load actually gets applied to the car at speed since it depends on the test weight of the car but you can try some varying hills at that speed/rpm range to see what results you get. See if any places will let you watch them do the test.

Don't forget to do the usual things to help you along for the test like make sure the engine and cat are HOT HOT HOT for the test, you've had a recent oil change, drive tires are aired up nice and high to lower rolling resistance on the dyno.

Also I remember your car being sensitive to electrical load and AFR's with that older fuel computer you have so make sure you tune the car EXACTLY the way you are going to test it and instruct the person testing to not touch an effing thing.

[Mike_Moss]

Also I remember your car being sensitive to electrical load and AFR's with that older fuel computer you have so make sure you tune the car EXACTLY the way you are going to test it and instruct the person testing to not touch an effing thing.I've got it MUCH better since then. Found a few maps that were wonky and making everything else messed.

Can't really blame Mike though, he did his best on the little knowledge he has of the Haltech units.

[FunkRider]

Nice! What was were some of the issues you ironed out with that?

[kz9]

I also found out that this year I get to class as a hotrod as I have changed pistons causing a different compression ratio. it classes as not the same engine that was in the car stock I can provide all the recipts and paperwork that they need to send with my file

[Mike_Moss]

Nice! What was were some of the issues you ironed out with that?

Eff'd up AIT and Volt maps.

Ended up putting them back to default (as its suggested not to mess with them) and went from there. Lots of my idle was being affected by this.

I still ended up changing the battery voltage map slightly to compensate for the load when A/C and defrost is turned on but it was much easier to manipulate and I had a better understanding of how the map should look after viewing the default maps.

I've only been tuning in vac right now. It's nice seeing 13.7 - 14.7 rather than 9.0 and CAL- (lower than 9 on the NGK AFX).