the audio low down...

[mykg4orce]

ok im new to the whole audio seen, and dont really undersand the whole amp and speaker bits.

I want to install a subwoofer and an amp but dont really know what to look for when buying an amp. Whats the difference between 1-2 and 4+ channel amps? How much power is needed for a subwoofer? Will the amp blow out my stock pro speakers? etc... any thoughts?

[MP5Navy]

Hey there WESTSIDE brethrn.
This is a touchy topic and many people have different opions as what to start out with.

Here is what I suggest on a sub $500 budget.

Keep the stock deck till you know what you really need and what. A deck is something that rarely changes once you get it. Amps and speakers on the other hand will swap out before you pay your Visa bill for the stuff you bought before.

I suggest you get:
1. Line level adaptor. ($30)
2. 2 Channel amp that will do 200RMS (~250)
3. One 12 inch sub. ($150)
4. All associated power and signal wires and connectors. ($60)
5. 3/4 MDF 4'x4' sheet ($20)

You will need the line level adaptor to tap into your factory wires to convert them to RCA format to be used as the Amp's input (some lower end amps have line level inputs however - high end ones do not.)

I suggested a 2 channel amp (each channel has the potential to drive one speaker), however, you will bridge the channels and us it as a sub amp. The reason for getting a two channel amp is that when you upgrade in the future you can use this amp to drive your highs (front door speakers). 200 RMS power (400W dynamic power) will be enough to drive most entry level subs. I recommend Rockford Fosgate 200 punch.

Build your own box and save some money. Most 12'' sub woofers will only require 1.2 cubic feet (but also depends on what kind of music you listen to. Typically a bigger box will emphasize lower FQ than a smaller box. I suggest a 12'' sub cause as a newbie to this hobby you will definitely enjoy the bass. For entry level subs I suggest Rockford Fosgate Punch subs or the Kicker Comps (both subs hit pretty hard on the SPL side of things and are a good value) In general go with an American sub.

You might be temped to have someone install all this crap for you but if you are on a budget do it yourself. As a WESTSIDE brethren I will help you out (unless you are a total mechanical idiot and make me do all the work myself). It will save you $80 at least. I will also give you the WESTSIDE connection to extremely cheap/high quality electronic stores to get your power cables and connects.

If you have any skills with wood you can build a box with the internal volume of around 1.2 cubic feet. Just be sure that the box is not completely square (bad resonance and standing waves will form in the box and make your reduce the performance of your bass). Silicone seal joints and cover with speaker carpet. Just copy what you see in the audio stores.

As you newbie you should be thouroughly happy with this system untill you realize you want better highs and a deck with better SQ (sound quality). You will change your mind often in regards to your first stereo system so don't go crazy buying a whole bunch of stuff you may not like. Start slow and build your dream system as you begin to realize what you want in a stereo. Lastly, everything in the lowend market is basically the same so don't stress too much about which sub or amp is better than some other competitor. Just stick to the more recognized names.

PM if you need to speak in person to me or if you need the hook ups to dealers an electronic store.

Advice, compliments of the WESTSIDE...
BTW your banner sucks.... Join the collective and take on the WESTSIDE Banner if you expect any help from your fellow brethren... Resistance is futile, you will be assimilated...

[ENVD P5]

If this was me doing to whole system again I would start with 2-channel amp like Dave said and new component speakers up front. This will be enough for you for a while until you realize... hmmmmm... i think i would like new Head Unit. Then you will make your way and get a nice HU. Then You will realise.. h,mmmm I just blew the rear stock speakers... I need new ones... HOLD ON!!! DONT DO IT!! get a mono (1channel) amp and a 12" sub. Now you have your system.

And as many of ppl here will back me up... you will change your system components many times untill you really find what you like.

[mykg4orce]

Hey thanks guys. Actually I have a unbranded enclosed subwoofer box with twin 10" woofers in it, each running at 200W.

It looks like this (picture) except it only has 2 vents unlike the quad that you see in the picture:

http://www.powerhouseaudio.com/images/brands/boxes/box2x10.jpg

And I am technically minded, so even though I have never installed an amp before I know I can figure it out, and sure some help would be cool. A friend of mine installed a whole system, new speakers, new deck, an amp, built his own sub all for around $600-$700. And he offered to help me install my system when I buy the components. So I am not really concerned with the installation. What I am concerned with is the quality of sound I am going to get. I mean the stock system is very good. I don’t want it to be anymore louder, but just want that base kick.

So I guess I am gonna look for the parts get started on this stuff.


p.s the banner is from protegeclub.com forums, I never bothered to change it, cause I think its cool.

[hiredgoon]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (ENVD P5 @ Oct. 30 2002,6:50)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">And as many of ppl here will back me up... you will change your system components many times untill you really find what you like.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
I'll back that up...
I've had my car just over a year, and have had:
-3 different kinds of subs with 4 diff setups
-5 different amps
-3 front stage setups
-1 HU

And I'm looking to change my subwoofer setup again.
Trust me when the audio bug catches...you got it.

-&gt; Shameless plug...I have subs and amps for sale if you're looking &lt;-

A 2 channel amp for a sub is generally the cheapest route but a monoblock allows for more expansion.
I'm running a 4-channel amp with the front channels for a component set and the rear channels bridged for a single 4 ohm sub. Simple and fairly cheap but sounds great.

Remember...an excellent install with lower-end equipment will sound better than a crappy install with high-end stuff.

[Gen1GT]

what's up with that pic of that box? looks like all show, no go to me. Ports that size(4 even...??), are redicules. Don't get a mono amp, get a two channel and bridge it. You can always use it for something else down the road.

[CarDemon]

These guys are all right too!
But for simplicity, stick with the factory deck and just run a simple 200W-300W amp pushing a simple dual bandpass box of either dual 10&quot; or 12&quot;speackers.

Note that the amp will only push the dual speaker box for your low bass sound. Tweeters can just be run off your deck and be mounted on your front dash and your other speakers remain intact.

The sound will be amazing from what you had before until you get all ricey and techi, and discrimanatory years later for better speaker components.

If you come to a meet, just sit in my car and you will see what a ghetto system can pump. And by the way, my hatch wing and license plate rattle like it is supposed to, OUTSIDE. It is a message to outsiders that you got meaness in your trunk. But I listen to the music inside of which I don't hear it. THAT'S THE WAY IT IS SUPPOSED TO BE and DON'T LET ANYONE TELL YOU OTHERWISE. http://msg.toprotege.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

[mykg4orce]

wow i feel much better about this whole thing. Funny thing is that the guys at BestBuy said they wont install an amp into a stock cd player. They wanted me to buy an aftermarket one, im like &quot;i think not&quot; What could be the reason? The guy said its because there is a danger of the amp blowing out the speakers or something.....???

[midnightp5]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (mykg4orce @ Oct. 31 2002,08:06)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">wow i feel much better about this whole thing.  Funny thing is that the guys at BestBuy said they wont install an amp into a stock cd player.  They wanted me to buy an aftermarket one, im like &quot;i think not&quot;  What could be the reason?  The guy said its because there is a danger of the amp blowing out the speakers or something.....???[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
That's a crock!

All you need is a line level adapter.
You have less chance of blowing your speakers with the stock HU.

[mykg4orce]

Thats what I figured, well anyways I would install it myself so I dont really care. I hope i can sony xplode speakers for the rear as well....that would be nice.

One Question:
If an amp is, lets say 800W max power, can i still use it to power 200W x 2 Subwoofer? I'm thinking of buying this one:

http://www.futureshop.ca/catalog....ED89254 (http://www.futureshop.ca/catalog/proddetail.asp?sku_id=0665000FS10013262&catid=11032&logon=&langid=EN&dept=9&WLBS=fs%2Dweb6&biasid=2FCDE5DF89B744E6B4E609C9BED89254)

But i think i can make way with just a 2 channel amp right? Cause i just wanna power my sub.

[ChopstickHero]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (mykg4orce @ Oct. 31 2002,11:56)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">One Question:
If an amp is, lets say 800W max power, can i still use it to power 200W x 2 Subwoofer?  I'm thinking of buying this one:

But i think i can make way with just a 2 channel amp right? Cause i just wanna power my sub.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
800W Max power doesn't mean much. You want to look at the RMS values. at 200W x 2, are you running two subs or just one? if you are planning on getting a 4 channel amp to run 2 subs, then just buy a 2 channel amp! it would probably be cheaper and produce crisper power with only 2 channels. i'm not fond of sony amps though. i suggest Rockford Fosgate, JL Audio or Alpine amps.

[midnightp5]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (mykg4orce @ Oct. 31 2002,11:56)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Thats what I figured, well anyways I would install it myself so I dont really care.  I hope i can sony xplode speakers for the rear as well....that would be nice.

One Question:
If an amp is, lets say 800W max power, can i still use it to power 200W x 2 Subwoofer?  I'm thinking of buying this one:

http://www.futureshop.ca/catalog....ED89254 (http://www.futureshop.ca/catalog/proddetail.asp?sku_id=0665000FS10013262&catid=11032&logon=&langid=EN&dept=9&WLBS=fs%2Dweb6&biasid=2FCDE5DF89B744E6B4E609C9BED89254)

But i think i can make way with just a 2 channel amp right? Cause i just wanna power my sub.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
When you say that it is an 800w amp, I would assume that that is peak power @ 2omh.

Your subs are probably 4omh, or 8ohm, so your amp would probably give you approx. 200W RMS/channel

You should find out the impedance(OMH) of your subs , and the recommend Watts (RMS) they can handle (each), and also find out the output/channel (RMS) of your amp at the same impedance(OMH) of your subs.

[mykg4orce]

ok good, i was checking out this Pioneer 2-Channel Power Amp at 250W

Link:
http://www.canadiantire.ca/assortm....4054306 (http://www.canadiantire.ca/assortments/product_detail.jsp?PRODUCT%3C%3Eprd_id=441203&FOLDER%3C%3EbrowsePath=168423&FOLDER%3C%3EbrowsePath=169809&FOLDER%3C%3EbrowsePath=170049&FOLDER%3C%3Efolder_id=170049&ASSORTMENT%3C%3East_id=166971&bmUID=1036084054306)

And I think this line Converter will do:
http://www.canadiantire.ca/assortm....4251027 (http://www.canadiantire.ca/assortments/product_detail.jsp?PRODUCT%3C%3Eprd_id=129731&FOLDER%3C%3EbrowsePath=168423&FOLDER%3C%3EbrowsePath=169809&FOLDER%3C%3EbrowsePath=169813&FOLDER%3C%3Efolder_id=169813&ASSORTMENT%3C%3East_id=166971&bmUID=1036084251027)

Now the thing i can't exactly visualize in my mind is how the factory harness becomes the 2 RCAs using the Stereo Line Out Converter.  And once I do get that going...
1) I run 2 rca cables from the convertor to the amp's built in RCA plugs
2) Then i take the subwoofer's speaker wiring and twist it around the 2 channels on the amp.

So that sends the audio signal from the cd/player to the amp, which sends it to the subwoofer. right?

The other thing im not clear is on, is that will i have to splice the factory harness and tie in the wiring from the convertor to it?  To &quot;tap the signal&quot; sort of?

And so if int he future i wanted my rear speakers to be Amp-powered I could invest in a 4 channel amp?  And plug in the speaker wiring into the individual channels on the amplifier?

Ok I think im seeing the picture...yay!

EDIT: Midnightp5

here is the specs on the amp:
  Mfr. Part Number-----------------------XM-475GSX
# Of Channels--------------------------4
1 OHM Output Power, Full Range---------No
14.4V Dynamic Power--------------------800 Watts
2 OHM Output Power, Full Range---------200 Watts X 2 RMS
4 OHM Output Power, Full Range---------75 Watts X 4 RMS
Bass Boost (Fixed/Var)-----------------Variable
Bridgeable-----------------------------Yes
Bridged Power At 2 OHMS,Full Range-----200 Watts X 2
Bridged Power At 4 OHMS,Full Range-----75 Watts x 2 RMS + 200 Watts
External Bass Control Capable----------No
High Pass Filter (Fixed/Var)-----------Yes
Low Pass Filter (Fixed/Var)------------Variable
Mosfet Switching-----------------------Yes
Overload Protection--------------------Yes
Protection Indicator-------------------Yes
RCA Inputs (#Pairs)--------------------2
RCA Outputs (#Pairs)-------------------1
Screw Type Terminals-------------------Yes
Smart Engage Turn-On-------------------Yes
Speaker LVL Inputs---------------------Yes
Total Max Power------------------------800 Watts
Tri-Mode Capable-----------------------Yes

[midnightp5]

Thats pretty much what the adaptor does, but you also need to splice the remote line from the stock harness to the amp, and don't forget about the power cable from the battery to the amp. (I wouldn't recommend not doing this your self. I paid to get mind done Approx $100.00, and they will probably did a much nicer job than I would have)

What subs do you have?
How much is Crappy tire charging for that amp?

[ENVD P5]

Dude..... stay away from anything that gas EXPLOD label. This equipment will do as the name states EXPLODE !!! And I am being serious in case you are wondering. Most of the equipment that Sony makes is overpriced and way over rated.

[Protege00]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (ENVD P5 @ Oct. 31 2002,1:10)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Dude..... stay away from anything that gas EXPLOD label. This equipment will do as the name states EXPLODE !!! And I am being serious in case you are wondering. Most of the equipment that Sony makes is overpriced and way over rated.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Forsure....dont get Sony Xplode. I wouldn't atleast. My buddy picked up a 500watt sony amp and it blew...he sent it back in and they said they would fix it(still under warrenty or soemthing). While it was in the shop he borrowed this other guys 200 watt amp and when he got his back...the 200 was pounding harder then the repaired 500....he sent it in again and they replaced and the same problem occured again....

Just my experience with it, but I wouldn't get Sony.

[StewPiddass]

I agree!

[ChopstickHero]

yeap... sony stuff likes to xplode

anyways, whatever you buy, just make sure you match up your components: amp, headunit, speakers and subs. so that one thing doesn't outpower the other and so on.

you don't have to match it up, but things tend to be more reliable and sound better in the long run. like don't run an amp at 200W RMS on a 100W RMS sub. and don't go to canadian tire to get your audio..... that's just ghetto.

[mykg4orce]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">
..but you also need to splice the remote line from the stock harness to the amp...
[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>

What line is this?

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">
What subs do you have?
How much is Crappy tire charging for that amp?
[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>

I have twin 10&quot; subs at 200W each.  I bought the sub 2 years ago (for no apparent reason) before i even had my pro.  And since then it had just been sitting in the storage room.  Im pretty sure its crappy.  It cost $80.  As i said, no company markings or anything.  The best thing about the sub is the box itself (lol) , the woofers are again unbranded, but they say &quot;200W&quot; on the back of em.

Ok i finally took a picture....whew...

http://mykg4orce.net/temp/sub/1.gif

http://mykg4orce.net/temp/sub/2.gif

http://mykg4orce.net/temp/sub/3.gif

http://mykg4orce.net/temp/sub/4.gif

http://mykg4orce.net/temp/sub/5.gif

p.s.
The amp is $160  I think its a good deal.

EDIT:

You guys can't imagine how much i appreciate your help in all of this. http://msg.toprotege.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[mykg4orce]

ok how is this AMP? I think its good as far as its price and power.

http://www.futureshop.ca/catalog....eptid=9 (http://www.futureshop.ca/catalog/proddetail.asp?logon=&langid=EN&dept=9&WLBS=fs%2Dweb3&biasid=2FCDE5DF89B744E6B4E609C9BED89254&sku_id=0665000FS10011350&catid=&newdeptid=9)

[Gen1GT]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (CarDemon @ Oct. 31 2002,07:15)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">These guys are all right too!
But for simplicity, stick with the factory deck and just run a simple 200W-300W amp pushing a simple dual bandpass box of either dual 10&quot; or 12&quot;speackers.

Note that the amp will only push the dual speaker box for your low bass sound. Tweeters can just be run off your deck and be mounted on your front dash and your other speakers remain intact.

The sound will be amazing from what you had before until you get all ricey and techi, and discrimanatory years later for better speaker components.

If you come to a meet, just sit in my car and you will see what a ghetto system can pump. And by the way, my hatch wing and license plate rattle like it is supposed to, OUTSIDE. It is a message to outsiders that you got meaness in your trunk. But I listen to the music inside of which I don't hear it. THAT'S THE WAY IT IS SUPPOSED TO BE and DON'T LET ANYONE TELL YOU OTHERWISE. http://msg.toprotege.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
&quot;simple dual bandpass box&quot;? there's no such thing. The front chamber has to be properly sized/tuned for correct response. Remember, band pass means just that. It's an acoustic cross-over, designed to 'filter' out the frequencies above the chambers tuned frequency. It's useless if you run passive, or electronic crossovers. People who don't know what they're doing, easily mess up a bandpass box. Besides, they're sensitive to equalization ie, if you equalize beyond its' response range, you get large distortion. Also, being dual bandpass, you need to properly tune the chamber and port, in the enclosure side of the box. Every speaker is different, and if you just use a generic factory made box, you're selling yourself short......if you have lots of amp power, go sealed, it's hard to beat......and hard to screw up...

[MP5Navy]

Sorry don't mean to be a pompas/arrogant ass but we are spilling loads of valuable info on a guy who is hell bent on making a fleamarket system.... Hmm I kinda do sound like an ass though don't I....

Friends don't let friends buy Audio equipment from a guy at a fleamarket who also sells crown air fresheners and gold tissue boxes! http://msg.toprotege.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif

[midnightp5]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (MP5Navy @ Oct. 31 2002,8:04)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Sorry don't mean to be a pompas/arrogant ass but we are spilling loads of valuable info on a guy who is hell bent on making a fleamarket system....  Hmm I kinda do sound like an ass though don't I....

Friends don't let friends buy Audio equipment from a guy at a fleamarket who also sells crown air fresheners and gold tissue boxes! http://msg.toprotege.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
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LMAO

[mykg4orce]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (MP5Navy @ Oct. 31 2002,8:04)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Sorry don't mean to be a pompas/arrogant ass but we are spilling loads of valuable info on a guy who is hell bent on making a fleamarket system....  Hmm I kinda do sound like an ass though don't I....

Friends don't let friends buy Audio equipment from a guy at a fleamarket who also sells crown air fresheners and gold tissue boxes! http://msg.toprotege.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
i dont get it..... are being silly or just rude? Its obvious that I am not going to invest in a $10,000 audio system as my first ever set-up. And i never brought money into the equation, from my first post I only asked about the &quot;HOW&quot; and &quot;WHY&quot; of the technology and the set-up. What does the quality or quantity of the system have to do with me understanding each component and how they fit together? A fleamarket amp and one that costs $2000 is built on the same principle.

And any information, any constructive disscussion is helpful. So please dont try to stop it.

[ENVD P5]

Yea Dave. Stop giving ppl good advice and let them learn on their mistakes. Always trying to help. Dont you think you have done enough ? I mean if in a fewmonths he will kick himself in the ass for spending 200$ on crap so what ? http://msg.toprotege.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/withstupid.gif

[CarDemon]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (MP5Navy @ Oct. 31 2002,8:04)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Friends don't let friends buy Audio equipment from a guy at a fleamarket who also sells crown air fresheners and gold tissue boxes! http://msg.toprotege.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Don't worry dude!
THEY WERE REFERRING TO ME AS THE TPC JOKE!!! I AM CARDEMON, PRESIDENT &amp; CEO OF GHETTO CONCEPT PERFOMANCE TRENDS.
It's ironic how I sport these two mentioned items in my car.:angry

I still haven't earned the respect as a major competitor in the game. It's how it goes in life. I'm an 'up and coming' who 'never has been', because I 'never was'.

But I like the status and fear of the estblshd playas in the game looking over their shoulders and listening to my footsteps.

I am tightlipped about the laughs and snickers behind my back, but I relish the fact that people laughed at the Wright Bros., cut Michael Jordan from his highschool Jr. Team, Mike Tyson lossed Olympic trials in his early years to Carl The Truth Williams. Sometimes ingenuity, pioneering spirts, creativity goes punished in its early years. The masses as I do respect them to some degree, don't quite see the 1/2 Man- 1/2 Amazing in me. They still see the 1/2 man -1/2child.

I just had to come back with the lyrical kung-fu to maintain my rep.

Anyways, they are more experienced than me, and they have felt the earth shake at meets of which their cut 'n' past rice mods and glue self destruct.

How do you think daves clear sides got moisture in them? I shook the white glue adhesive till it was weak.

Do listen to them though and weigh your decision by stepping into different peoples cars at meets and judging for yourself what sound is good for you with the inner monetary meter.

[mykg4orce]

The funny thing is I really dont care about the money right now. I just searched for an amp that would power 200W subwoofers, and so its not my fault that all the amps that I looked at were in the $200 range. I am not trying to be &quot;cheap&quot; just trying to be reasonable. And I am not going for the &quot;pimped out&quot; thuged out image, I just wanted a decent/respectable system. So EXCUSE ME! if i dont want to spend loads of money on the components.


p.s. i have never been to a fleamarket http://msg.toprotege.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

[MP5Navy]

I was the one who outlined a $500 system to you on page 1. $500 will not make you the pimped out long dicked mofo like me but it will get you closer to the WESTSIDE image. I never expected you to spend more than $1000.

Just wanted to help you out. As a WESTSIDE clan member you shouldn't be so sensitive to my childish comments.

Don't buy Sony unless you go highend (their stuff is excellent in the highend Decks) and never buy Kenwood unless you live in the ghettos of Rexdale or Malton cause it will not perform for you nor will it get you any respect outside of your hood.

Entry level PPI and Rockford are good amps to look into - they are typically underrated so don't put too much emphasis on what they are rated at. RMS powers from these amps will always be cleaner and hit your subs harder.

Lastly all amps are not based on the same principles. But I'll let you find that out as you continue through your hobby as an audiophile....

[CarDemon]

Never been to a flea market and your real name is Muhammed Khan! I bet you must know about these crown airfresheners and gold trinket kleenex boxes.

Allah does not like false prophets and masquerading Somali cab drivers perhaps?
Don't worry, we are all cool here. I hope you can mulch all this info and get something to please yourself. Keep you inner monetary budget to yourself and use it to be your guide while shopping. Literally get the most bang for your buck like I did.

[mykg4orce]

I guess people are too childish here? Or maybe I just don't like your brand of humor. You certainly make a low-life assumption/judgment that I drive a cab, because my name is Muhammad?

I thought I could ignore racial slurs and derogatory comments from people on a forum, but I guess I don’t find what you say remotely funny. I rather find such comments disgusting and out right racist.

Thanks, all those who actually contributed something to this thread.

[midnightp5]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (mykg4orce @ Nov. 01 2002,7:47)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I guess people are too childish here?  Or maybe I just don't like your brand of humor.  You certainly make a low-life assumption/judgment that I drive a cab, because my name is Muhammad?

I thought I could ignore racial slurs and derogatory comments from people on a forum, but I guess I don’t find what you say remotely funny.  I rather find such comments disgusting and out right racist.  

Thanks, all those who actually contributed something to this thread.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
I thought that was a little rude also, but I'm sure he was just joking around.

Don't let it get to you. If you have any questions, feel free to ask.

I don't mind helping whenever I can.

[MP5Navy]

Contrary to Ryan. I don't like the fact that you don't have a sense of humour. I'm quite surprised that you live in my neighbourhood (WESTSIDE) cause you're about as serious as an eastsider can get.

When did you immigrate to WESTSIDE - I don't think you were raised in our hood.

[ENVD P5]

Dude....... i do realise you are new and dont know ppl. But for real... get a life!!! We all are trying to help you in some way here. And if someone starts joking around so be it. Lough it off. Maybe when you see who made any comments to you in person then you will understand what im talking about. But get real...

[Gen1GT]

Damn, this thread is outta control...where's Kurt when you need him? hehe...