Fitment Recipe for 3rd gen Protege and Protege5

[rowan]

Copied from the original on Protegeclub.com

THE MATRIX: 3rd Generation Proto's

Mazda Protege5 fitment guide

Tire Size:
205/45/17; 215/40/17; 215/45/17; 215/35/18
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Wheel Width & Offset:
7.0" +45 and higher
7.5" +48 and higher

Tire Size:
205/40/17
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Wheel Width & Offset:
7.0" +42 and higher; Barely making it
7.5" +48 or higher, the +45 still worries me with this width on a 205.

Mazda Protege Sedan
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Can run 2 to 3 mm less offset than the Wagon. Appears to have a little more room under the fender. As we've got no problems with wheelguuruu's 19's at all.

BEWARE OF THE PASSENGER SIDE. It will be the first to rub. hehe. Not as much negative adjustment on that side, even with camber bolts. Based on left hand drive. hehe.

Hope this helps everyone. Please feel free to call us as we will be stocking the real good ones, quality, appearance, weight, perfect fitment. Plus you'll get your forum/club deal and the sanctity of mind that the fitment has my blessing.

Be weary of the "local tire shop" as many have not done real time fitments prior to your consultation. Not even the manufacturers who create the fitment guide for the dealers have test fitted everything. It's based on patterns with fitments in the industry. Unfortunately, our cars veer off that line just slightly but enough to be very annoying and shitty when you just bought wheels that you were told fit only to have them rub.

We are a tuning shop and therefore specialize in certain performance oriented vehicles. Therefore do multiple fitments on the same vehicles with different wheels and so forth. We weigh them loaded and unloaded, tires and wheels. It's some good info to base your decisions on.

Thanks, Rishie




For reference, the OEM Mazda wheel sizes are:
16x6.0" +50 mm
17x7.0" +55 mm

The width of the wheel is the cotrolling factor for what the offset needs to be. Diameter doesn't really make a difference (17's vs. 18's)



EDIT - Post cleaned up by Scooter. Lots of the info was jibberish after transfer to the new board.

[Scooter]

Thanks Rowan

[etam]

what's centerbore size?

[rowan]

Centerbore for 5 bolt 3rd gen Protege is 67.1 mm

[rowan]

For other generations of Protege, please read the FAQ by TheMAN.

http://web2.airmail.net/emann/protegefaq/
http://web2.airmail.net/emann/protegefaq/models.html

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The center bore size of all 4-lug Protegés is 54.1mm.
The center bore size of all 5-lug Protegés is 67.1mm.
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[rowan]

About the whole centerbore thing and &quot;hubcentric&quot; wheels and centering rings ...

&quot;Hubcentric&quot; means the center bore of the rim is exactly the same size as the hub it sits on so the hub/axle takes the load of the wheels instead of your wheel bolts.

&quot;Centering rings&quot; are usually little plastic rings that make up the difference in size between the centerbore of the rim, and your hubs. This effectively makes the rims hubcentric.

If your rims are not hubcentric
...
you need centering rings

It is very unsafe to drive otherwise. You risk damage to your car and also you risk a very serious incident should a wheel bolt fail or the rims otherwise become misaligned.

[kiwee]

k guys, here it is. i have been presented with a great opportunity to get some 17's.
sizing is 205/40/17 40mm offset, i don't want to believe it, but i think i am SOL for fitting my p5 right?
i am also lowered w/ the eibach prokit springs. the wheel company is telling me it will work no problem, i am skeptical. HELP!

[RobbieTheStiff]

The offset is not large enough. Unless you want to do some modification to your wheel wells...

As you can see in the fitment guide, you want a _minimum_ +42mm offset with the stock springs. Yours is lowered so +40mm is definitely going to cause you problems.

[Logan]

You're out of luck Kilian.

[kiwee]

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NNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!

[murda]

YEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!! +42mm is the lowest you can go my friend and thats with a 205/40 tire, that's what i've got.

[jali-p5]

wow kilian, talk major resurrection.......  :)

if you want to

[kiwee]

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hey, needed a q answered, it was relevant.

[daMaster]

Need help with the fitment recipe. I know it says the sedan Protege ES (GT) has 2-3 mm more room than the Protege5, but I'd just like to get the following confirmed please.

I am planning to get 17x7 rims with a +42 offset. Will it rub if I decide to go with 215/40R17 tires? Should I just go with 205/40R17 tires to avoid any issues?

[03ProES]

For sure no problems if you aren't lowered or planning to lower

[Myk]

Go with 205/40R17!

No need to go 215 wide, plus 215/40R17 have more side profile.

[Junior]

oh snap... didn't even think about my summers when I lowered my shizz..

mine are 205/40/R17 and +42mm offset http://ib2.toprotege.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif from what I'm reading, so far, I think i'll be OK ... right? http://ib2.toprotege.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/dontgetit.gif

[daMaster]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Myk @ April 19 2005,12:51)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Go with 205/40R17!

No need to go 215 wide, plus 215/40R17 have more side profile.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
205/40R17 results in a speedo reading that is 0.9% too fast compared to stock 195/50R16. 215/40R17 on the other hand will result in a speedo reading that is 0.4% too slow. 215s will also likely provide better grip.

I'm still debating between 205s vs 215s:
205: clocks slightly fewer kilometers on the odometer than actual, no problems at all with rubbing, lower profile
215: better grip, fatter profile = possibly smoother ride, but clocks slightly more kilometers on the odometer than actual and possible rubbing issues

[Lifford p5]

I have 215/45/17 on my P5 with 1.6 drop F/R and no problems, but my offset is 55 (Racingharts ). If u want to run 215 u will need 50+ offset for sure or just rolle your fenders in the back. http://ib2.toprotege.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

SS

[TokyoRacer]

I don't meant to beat a dead horse but: My cars lowered 1.6" all around.

So I'm gunna need atleast a +42offset for a 7.5" wheel, is that correct?

How about for an 7" wide wheel? I'm jsut confsued is all..sorry for the repeating of questions..

and you all said it doesn't matter if they are 17 or 18" wheels really? Mostly jsut the width is the issue?

[tekkie]

I have 42 offset with 18x7 and my Kumho 712 215/35/18 tires just fits inside the rear fender, and when I say just I mean like 1mm so I am pretty sure that a 7.5 wont fit with my current rim - tires

but what I can tell you is it will probably depend on the tire and rim, although its supposed to be std they are not.

I know Brian (The Kid) said the other night that he had 4 different sets of tires stacked next to each other they were all thes same size and every pile was a different height

[Kocakola]

alright I know this is beating a dead horse, but here goes.

Sedan: lowered on Eibach Prokit (1.2ish in drop)
I'm looking at: 18x7.5 +45

I shouldn't have any problems correct? I know it says +48 would be better, but I assume thats for someone who is lowered more. I have at least enough room for 2 fingers inbetween my fender and my wheel right now.

Anyone already running this?

Any help appreciated.

[Scooter]

alright I know this is beating a dead horse, but here goes.

Sedan: lowered on Eibach Prokit (1.2ish in drop)
I'm looking at: 18x7.5 +45

I shouldn't have any problems correct? I know it says +48 would be better, but I assume thats for someone who is lowered more. I have at least enough room for 2 fingers inbetween my fender and my wheel right now.

Anyone already running this?

Any help appreciated.

You should be okay. Get a tire with a nice round sidewall (ie: the Falken Ziex 512s), and you're laughing. If you REALLY load the car up with lots of cargo, you might get verry minor rubbing in the back with big bumps. But that's only a more extreme situation.

That's the same setup I'm running on my hatch, and the sedan has a little more clearance.

EDIT - I'm dropped lower than you as well since I'm on Tein S-Tech (1.8" front and 1.5" rear)

[Kocakola]

any idea if Nankang's have a round sidewall?

[Scooter]

any idea if Nankang's have a round sidewall?

not sure. What model? I'm sure there would be pics online.

Some tires tend to have a more boxy sidewall, while others are a little more rounded. The Pirellis I had on the 19s were a nice round one as well.....can't remember the model though.

EDIT: Pirelli SuperSport P7000 was the model

I've also had Falken Azeni ST115 and they were nice and round too

[Kocakola]

I gotta look into the model.

edit NS-II Ultra Sport

http://www.performanceplustire.com/imagesProducts3/1716.jpg

[raghtal]

Thanks for this. I'm going to contact tires23 about some 215/35/18 Toyos on 18x7 Gunmetal Excel Ennios with +45 offset. Any issues with that setup? Car is on RacingBeat springs (.75" drop).

[Cocco]

^ you should be fine, as long as its not a boxey tire....I'm running that exact same tire/rim/and offset and i only have a little run on the back right side..... But I'm way lower then you will be, so I think you will have no problems.

[Scooter]

Ragdoll, You should be fine. Especially since the wheel is only 7" wide. Hard to find 18 x 7s, most are 18 x 7.5 minimum.

[raghtal]

Ragdoll, You should be fine. Especially since the wheel is only 7" wide. Hard to find 18 x 7s, most are 18 x 7.5 minimum.

Unless I am mistaken, I think the Gunmetal Exel Ennios only come in either 18x7 or 18x8. I'll find out!

[Scooter]

Unless I am mistaken, I think the Gunmetal Exel Ennios only come in either 18x7 or 18x8. I'll find out!

yup...that's what it says on Wheelmax's site anyway.

[Myk]

FYI: Just got back from Tires23 last night and;

16 x 7 w/ 40mm offset + 205/50/16 Tires + Teins = Rubbing! :mad:

Not happy at all!!!!

[midnitehour]

roll the fenders.. and primer it... don't paint though..

[hypnotized]

i going to pick up some 17x7 with a +45 offset what tire size would be best and possible brands. I plan to go with MSP springs soon.

[delson]

yo guys i need help i was looking to get rims the size is 18x7.5 5x114.3 +40 offset. will the fit my car? car is dropped on coilovers right now.
tire size i need to go with
215/35/18
or can i do
215/40/18

[midnitehour]

yo guys i need help i was looking to get rims the size is 18x7.5 5x114.3 +40 offset. will the fit my car? car is dropped on coilovers right now.
tire size i need to go with
215/35/18
or can i do
215/40/18

215/35/18 it'll rub the fender your offset is too low

215/40/18 it'll rub every where else. tires are over sized

[dead_cactus]

yo guys i need help i was looking to get rims the size is 18x7.5 5x114.3 +40 offset. will the fit my car? car is dropped on coilovers right now.
tire size i need to go with
215/35/18
or can i do
215/40/18

These will rub for sure.

Myk has 16x7 +40 offset and was rubbing with 205/50/16 tires

I would suggest something with a higher offset. +40 is way too low IMO

[delson]

is it worth rolling the fender

[dead_cactus]

is it worth rolling the fender

Even if you were to roll the fender I would imagine there would still be rubbing.

[delson]

is there anyone who has 18s with a +40 offset on a p5

[The Destroyer]

is there anyone who has 18s with a +40 offset on a p5
I do not think this is even possible, given that 17s at the same offset need to have the fenders rolled to even give them a chance to fit. Fender rolling might work for 18s but I'm guessing you'll hit the top of the strut.

[Cocco]

Im running 18's with 215/35/18 with a +45 offset and i rub on the right rear only. To be sure you don't rub at all with 18's on a P5 you need at least +48 to ensure you have proper clearance of the wheel wheels.

18's with +40 and your going to cut your tires right off the rim with the fender

[delson]

Im running 18's with 215/35/18 with a +45 offset and i rub on the right rear only. To be sure you don't rub at all with 18's on a P5 you need at least +48 to ensure you have proper clearance of the wheel wheels.

18's with +40 and your going to cut your tires right off the rim with the fender

shit man

ok i called the guy he says has +43 in that rim. is that better

or should i just look for new rims

[Cocco]

like i said i have +45 and they rub only on one side. +43 will rub 100% You need at least a +45 or higher to ensure you have no issues. So i would start looking at different rims

[distr0]

how much luck would i have with a 225/35/R17 tire? how low of an offset could i push (i think the sedans are more forgiving than the p5?)

[solo.]

how much luck would i have with a 225/35/R17 tire? how low of an offset could i push (i think the sedans are more forgiving than the p5?)

I had 225/50/16 and I had rub when I have back passengers. Other than that, my MSP was rub free.:D

[Mike_Moss]

I'm dumb when it comes to wheels and it takes me a minute or five to figure things out.

By my calculations this won't fit, but what do you guys think?

18" x 7.5"; +48mm offset; 225/40/18 tire

[solo.]

I'm dumb when it comes to wheels and it takes me a minute or five to figure things out.

By my calculations this won't fit, but what do you guys think?

18" x 7.5"; +48mm offset; 225/40/18 tire

Try it!

But don't come crying to us when it doesn't fit. We're not going to buy you ice cream.


EDIT: And yes, they don't fit.

[Mike_Moss]

I know I could try it, but I am looking for some real info. Not everyone can sit around and test wheels all day.

Hell, I don't even have time to wrench on the car.

I'd probably only trust someone that has actually tried it or something similar.

[solo.]

Well if it helps, I had 225/50/16 on 16x8 rims with a +50mm. With 4 steelies and tires on the back, it would rub occasionally because there was snow and ice everywhere.

All I can say is you will need to roll the fenders for SURE even if they fit.

[Mike_Moss]

How's it in the front when turning?

[solo.]

I had to use 3mm spacers on the front because the rims would rub the tabs on the struts. Only the rears rub.

I was using Blizzak MZ-01, so they seem pretty fun in the snow.

Edit: I could fit a finger between the tires easily in the rears though.

[Cocco]

I'm dumb when it comes to wheels and it takes me a minute or five to figure things out.

By my calculations this won't fit, but what do you guys think?

18" x 7.5"; +48mm offset; 225/40/18 tire

Um those wont fit moss. you could maybe get away with a 225/40/17 on a sedan with a at least a +48 offset. But with an 18 there is no way that a 225/40 will fit, your fender will be sitting on the tires :p and they wouldn't roll very well that way. Even 225/35/18 would rub if you went with 18's

[Mike_Moss]

Not even with -7° camber??? :p

I know, it was a long-shot, but I figured I'd ask anyhow.

[Cocco]

^ i guess, if you went with some camber maybe, but why do that? those tires will be pooched before you know it bra!!!

[distr0]

so 225/35/R17 should be ok without rolling fenders?

[Cocco]

^ maybe on a sedan, but that 225 would wurry me unless you have at least a +48 offset, or are running camber.

Like ive said im running +45 215/35/18 and i rub sometimes on one side so its your call, but i still think 215 would be safer.

[RobSKi]

In the Scriptures it says that with 17x7" rims, with 205/40/17 & +42mm offset was supposed to be okay, but they did rub on the back left wheel well. Nothing too serious, but if i had too many fatties in the back it just wouldn't go. :(
Now im thinkin about buying a new set. they're 17x7" with the same tires, but +45 offset. Would there still be a chance that i will have any rubbing issues? Or should I just go back to stock :S
Thanks in advance!

[Kansei]

^^ less fatties = win. With a 205/40-17 it'd be nearly impossible to rub.

edit: see pics

http://picasaweb.google.com/clauretano/FIXEDCAR/photo#5047906387366175954

lots of space

edit2: this shows it better:
http://picasaweb.google.com/clauretano/FIXEDCAR/photo#5047906421725914338

and this:
http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1217/1459619257_0f478e5fcf_b.jpg

205/40-17 looks silly small though, trust me. it's not a good look by any means, unless you want somewhat of a euro stretched tyre look. I'd recommend a 215/40-17, if you don't get a 215 that is overly large you won't have any rubbing problems.

wheels in those pics are 17x7 +45mm and tyres are 205/40-17.. I can let you know how 215/45-17 fits on that in a couple weeks.

[midnight p5]

Anyone run this setup on a P5?

17X7, 215/40/17, 42 offset (not lowered)

Any rubbing?

Thanks

[Cocco]

^ you should be fine if your not lowered :cool:

[midnight p5]

Thanks Cocco,

Installed them last night, and they aren't even close to rubbing.

cheers!

[Cocco]

cool enjoy, now you have to come out to a meet and show off your new shoes :D

[Marleymar]

cool enjoy, now you have to come out to a meet and show off your new shoes :D

^ or at least post a pic / what clan is midnight part of :p

[KJS]

MSP with stock suspension:

215/45/17 Tires on 17x7.5" 42mm Offset

Fit? I know the guide says that 7.5" wide = 48mm offset, but i've seen less.

Does anybody have any information/suggestions/guesses?

[Kansei]

MSP with stock suspension:

215/45/17 Tires on 17x7.5" 42mm Offset

Fit? I know the guide says that 7.5" wide = 48mm offset, but i've seen less.

Does anybody have any information/suggestions/guesses?

tough call. It depends on the 215, but why go to a 7.5" wheel if you're only going to put a 215 on anyway. It'll look a bit "stretched on".

[KJS]

tough call. It depends on the 215, but why go to a 7.5" wheel if you're only going to put a 215 on anyway. It'll look a bit "stretched on".

Cause, there's only two rims I can find that I actually like.

What about if i got a 17x7" rim with a 40mm offset, and then threw on the 215/45/17's?

is 40mm too low of an offset? :(

[Cocco]

^ oh yeah!!! way to low bud

[Kansei]

well a 42-43 will work on a sedan with that tire size.. if you got a tire that runs a bit narrow for that size it might work. Definitely get a tire that has no rim guard, like for example the Hankook Ventus RS2 Z212 has no rim guard. It's definitely in the realm of something that can be corrected with fender rolling though.

[midnitehour]

i'm running a 38mm offset with azien 615's fenders rolled no rubbing issues...

so your 40 will be fine.

Perma is actually running 40mm offset with azien 615s come to think of it.. and he's lowered.

[starscream]

STOCK MSP Suspension with RX8 18x8 (i think its +50 or 55 offset) running on 215/35/18 and no rubbing on any corner (even with weight in the back).

[MS MSP]

I'm pretty sure the RX8's are 50 offset.

[KJS]

What aboutttt:

MSP with stock suspension:

215/45/17 Tires on 17x7" +42mm Offset

Fit?
If it doesnt work, would it maybe fit to do a 205 tire, or a 40 sidewall?

[prot3g3]

What aboutttt:

MSP with stock suspension:

215/45/17 Tires on 17x7" +42mm Offset

Fit?
If it doesnt work, would it maybe fit to do a 205 tire, or a 40 sidewall?

you should be fine.

its a 7 inch wide rim. maybe a "rounded" type tire.

[KJS]

you should be fine.

its a 7 inch wide rim. maybe a "rounded" type tire.

no rounded type tires for me. those look homo.
I know whatcha sayn though.
I guess i could get my fenders rolled if i have to, after i purchase?

[prot3g3]

no rounded type tires for me. those look homo.
I know whatcha sayn though.
I guess i could get my fenders rolled if i have to, after i purchase?


i think you should be fine....wait until others chime in..if you do then you wont be able to load up the rear

[greenlink1]

k.... i really want these rims...... i dunno if theyll fit though... the person i went to to see em said theyll fit... but then again they may be wrong... can someone tell me by this website if any of the 17" or 18" dimensions will fit on my P5? Please! i really want these rimms! either 17s or 18s! lol!!
http://fastwheels.ca/component/page,shop.product_details/flypage,shop.flypage/product_id,72/category_id,10/manufacturer_id,0/option,com_virtuemart/Itemid,57/

[00bluees]

k.... i really want these rims...... i dunno if theyll fit though... the person i went to to see em said theyll fit... but then again they may be wrong... can someone tell me by this website if any of the 17" or 18" dimensions will fit on my P5? Please! i really want these rimms! either 17s or 18s! lol!!
http://fastwheels.ca/component/page,shop.product_details/flypage,shop.flypage/product_id,72/category_id,10/manufacturer_id,0/option,com_virtuemart/Itemid,57/

if you do some serious fender rolling, you MIGHT be able to get the F38-77100 (part no. from website) to fit. but i doubt it. if so you would have to have some weenie tires on there and it would look ridiculous. don't think its worth it, there has to be a million other companies that make that same style rim that will fit.

[dead_cactus]

Those are some pretty low offset's.

I'm curious to see a photoshop of these on a Protege. Never seen too many chrome rims on Protege's unless they're the stock polished wheels.

[greenlink1]

if you do some serious fender rolling, you MIGHT be able to get the F38-77100 (part no. from website) to fit. but i doubt it. if so you would have to have some weenie tires on there and it would look ridiculous. don't think its worth it, there has to be a million other companies that make that same style rim that will fit.
Thanks man! ill check out the other companies and see what they can do!
I'm curious to see a photoshop of these on a Protege. Never seen too many chrome rims on Protege's unless they're the stock polished wheels.
I know man! its intense! chrome is sick though.... in my opinion anyways! ill try it out and see! ill post some pics up when i get some rims! then u can see if ya like em lol! ill probly post some pics of my car just as it is now in october sometime.... maybe even next weekend! lol hopefully anyways!

[CulRidr]

Well if it helps, I had 225/50/16 on 16x8 rims with a +50mm. With 4 steelies and tires on the back, it would rub occasionally because there was snow and ice everywhere.

All I can say is you will need to roll the fenders for SURE even if they fit.
Let me guess, RX7 rims? This is the EXACT post I was looking for as I am about to pull the trigger on some myself for AutoX, and am trying to figure out which tire size to go with...my choices are 215/50R16, 225/45R16, 225/50R16 or 235/45R16. Would there be an advantage in AutoX to go with a 50 over a 45? I'm looking at "cheater" tires so I have no idea if a difference in sidewall size makes a difference or not.

I had to use 3mm spacers on the front because the rims would rub the tabs on the struts. Only the rears rub.

I was using Blizzak MZ-01, so they seem pretty fun in the snow.

Edit: I could fit a finger between the tires easily in the rears though.

Would you suggest rolling the rear fenders to prevent rubbing? (was it rubbing on the fenders or on the struts?)

[solo.]

Let me guess, RX7 rims? This is the EXACT post I was looking for as I am about to pull the trigger on some myself for AutoX, and am trying to figure out which tire size to go with...my choices are [SIZE=2][COLOR=Black]215/50R16, 225/45R16, 225/50R16 or 235/45R16. Would there be an advantage in AutoX to go with a 50 over a 45? I'm looking at "cheater" tires so I have no idea if a difference in sidewall size makes a difference or not.

Would you suggest rolling the rear fenders to prevent rubbing? (was it rubbing on the fenders or on the struts?)

Well I found out you need 3mm spacers all around as the hub bore on the FD rims are smaller than the Protege center bore. Without the spacers, you will not get full contact on the rotors and will hit the stock MSP struts. With 225/50/16 winter tires, the fronts were fine, but the rears were hitting the fenders, so either smaller tires or fender rolling is needed. The best thing to get is 225/45/16 tires, but I don't think there are many tires in that size. For track or auto-x, you want a lower profile, so I'd say 225/45 or 225/40 if there exists any...unless you want to do some fender rolling.

[CulRidr]

Thanks for the above answer...and ya finding tires in those sizes is rather tough, especially when you are looking at cheater tires...not many choices.
Cheers!

Edit: I think i may want to go with the new Kumho XS tires next year as they make a 215/45/16 tire which would be perfect IMHO, especially since they are 7lbs lighter then the other tires I was looking at in the much more popular 225/50/16 size.

[solo.]

Thanks for the above answer...and ya finding tires in those sizes is rather tough, especially when you are looking at cheater tires...not many choices.
Cheers!

Edit: I think i may want to go with the new Kumho XS tires next year as they make a 215/45/16 tire which would be perfect IMHO, especially since they are 7lbs lighter then the other tires I was looking at in the much more popular 225/50/16 size.

Are the XS r-compounds or just summer tires?

[CulRidr]

Summer tires with a tread wear rating of 180, considered "extreme performance summer tires" by TireRack.com. R-compounds would be a little too advanced for my level, and way out of my budget. Plus, I can change my tires the night before and drive all the way to the track without having to baby the car in fear of wasting the expensive rubber.

[CulRidr]

Is running a 215 too narrow for an 8" rim? Considering I could easily run a 215 on a 7" rim, would there be a chance for tire rollover with a narrower tire? I can't seem to find anything in a 225/40 or 225/45...

[greenlink1]

The 18" rims should fit on my mp5 right?

http://customwheel.com/custom_wheels/product_info.php/cPath/21_316/products_id/20044?osCsid=14350d9a9301cac450f3ae7c678fd3ad

[dead_cactus]

The 18" rims should fit on my mp5 right?

http://customwheel.com/custom_wheels/product_info.php/cPath/21_316/products_id/20044?osCsid=14350d9a9301cac450f3ae7c678fd3ad

Depends on the width and offset of the rim.

[00granpagreen]

The 18" rims should fit on my mp5 right?

http://customwheel.com/custom_wheels/product_info.php/cPath/21_316/products_id/20044?osCsid=14350d9a9301cac450f3ae7c678fd3ad


dont put em on, those rims are absolutly disgusting

[dead_cactus]

dont put em on, those rims are absolutly disgusting

:lol:

[greenlink1]

dont put em on, those rims are absolutly disgusting
nah man! not IMO.... Chrome rims look sick!! especially on a blue car!
Black rims are to over rated for most car IMO especially with the laser blue protege.

[00bluees]

nah man! not IMO.... Chrome rims look sick!! especially on a blue car!
Black rims are to over rated for most car IMO especially with the laser blue protege.

i'm going to agree with 00granpagreen on this one. those will look horrible. but as long as you like them thats cool. they belong, well in the garbage to be frank but anyhow.

make sure you know for sure what the width of the rim is an ESPECIALLY the offset. offset is the main determining factor on whether or not they will fit on the P5.

[prot3g3]

yeah crome rims on a blue car, NOT a p5.

go with black or something.

[Badfish]

How about 18x8 +48 on my MSP with rolled fenders?

[00bluees]

rolled fenders you should be finefor sure lowered or stock. as long as you use 215/35/18 tires. starscream has rx8 rims (18x8 50MM offset) with no rubbing at stock height.

[Badfish]

Yeah I have Tein basics, so I can change my ride height to whatever aswell, so that won't be the problem. Just worried about hitting the shocks.

[00bluees]

Yeah I have Tein basics, so I can change my ride height to whatever aswell, so that won't be the problem. Just worried about hitting the shocks.

i've heard of some people running a small 3mm spacer in the rear to clear the spring perch. but that may be with FD rims. and the coilovers are much smaller diameter than stock struts too right?

[Badfish]

Yeah, they are smaller, not sure how much though.

[thekid]

Yeah, they are smaller, not sure how much though.
Often due to the adjustable spring perch, and the threaded collar, the coilovers end up being larger in diameter than the stock shocks below the perch itself.

Having said that, there is at least one person running the RX-8 rims on their pro which is lowered with coils, pretty sure he's running a spacer though, but that spacer might net you the same effect as having the 48mm offset rims.

[starscream]

How about 18x8 +48 on my MSP with rolled fenders?

yes on a MSP that can be ran, with 215/35/18 tires, anything else will rub.

[Levesque]

i doubt this will fit but just wanna make sur

215/45/17 17x7 +40 offset :



my fenders r rolled already

[Cocco]

offset is a little low, but it might work. Im pretty sure someone put a set of 17's on their Pro with a +38 offset. You might need a camber kit, and some tweeking.

[00bluees]

depends on how much they are rolled really. if its possible try it out before buying?

[Azi]

i doubt this will fit but just wanna make sur

215/45/17 17x7 +40 offset :



my fenders r rolled already

if you have a sedan it will. if its a P5 its iffy.

[Oryx]

Sorry if this is a dumb question, im new to car mods. The below is copied from the origional post on page one.

Do these number mean that if i went with a rim and tire of the below sizes i would have ZERO rubbing or adjustment on a stock suspension, without rolling my fenders?

Tire Size:
205/45/17; 215/40/17; 215/45/17; 215/35/18
-------------
Wheel Width & Offset:
7.0" +45 and higher
7.5" +48 and higher

[00bluees]

Sorry if this is a dumb question, im new to car mods. The below is copied from the origional post on page one.

Do these number mean that if i went with a rim and tire of the below sizes i would have ZERO rubbing or adjustment on a stock suspension, without rolling my fenders?

Tire Size:
205/45/17; 215/40/17; 215/45/17; 215/35/18
-------------
Wheel Width & Offset:
7.0" +45 and higher
7.5" +48 and higher



should be ok. with the 215/45/17 being the biggest tire you may have slight rubbing depending on the brand of the tire but you should be fine with the offsets mentioned. if there were to be rubbing i would say it would be very little if you have a P5 and people/cargo in the back.

[Levesque]

what am i better off with guys

205-215/45-50/16 ?


thxs !

[00bluees]

what am i better off with guys

205-215/45-50/16 ?


thxs !

rim specs? width specifically.

going to go on a limb an guess FD rims. 16x8" +50mm offset. 215 or 225/45/16 with 3mm spacers is my answer. probably rolled with 225's but i think you have rolled fenders.

if its not FD rims you are talking and the rims are 7" then i'd say 215 and avoid 225.

[Levesque]

just stockers


fenders r rolled just not sure if i should go 45-50 pretty sure ima go 215

[superdave]

offset is a little low, but it might work. Im pretty sure someone put a set of 17's on their Pro with a +38 offset. You might need a camber kit, and some tweeking.

I briefly test fitted 17x8's 38et with the factory msp bridgestone re040 215/45/17 and just shy of 3degrees of camber on my p5, I didn't rub. Fenders aren't rolled either. Definitely wouldn't have worked with factory spec camber.

[00bluees]

if its stockers then just get 195/50/16 (stock size). anything wider looks silly imo. even cars with 205/50/16 on the stockers look weird. look at pics of shasta's car or nautical_lifens that should help you decide. no offence to those guys of course.:p just looks odd is all.

[Oryx]

Quick Question...

Im looking at buying the BSA 359 Rims in From Exclusive Wheels,

Is the 17 x 7, 5/114.3 and +48 gunna fit a stock 02 P5 just fine? I ask because on page on the 17 x 7 says +45.

Thanks

[dead_cactus]

^ It will be a perfect fit. Go with a 215/45/17 tire.

[Oryx]

^ It will be a perfect fit. Go with a 215/45/17 tire.

Thank you!! Thats the EXACT answer i was looking for. Now its the long haul to ajax for the pick-up!!:D

[Cocco]

Quick Question...

Im looking at buying the BSA 359 Rims in From Exclusive Wheels,

Is the 17 x 7, 5/114.3 and +48 gunna fit a stock 02 P5 just fine? I ask because on page on the 17 x 7 says +45.

Thanks

the +45 is the minimum you can go with to ensure youhave no problems at all. the +48 is even better.

and may i suggest going with a 215/40/17 as that is the closest tire that matches the rolling diameter of a Protege 5 stock 195/50/16.

[Cocco]

here is a link: http://www.rims-n-tires.com/rt_specs.jsp

i typed in your exact stock size and offset and then enterd your new rims size and offset and went with the 215/40/17

only of by 0.3%

so when your doing 60 you will be actually going 60.2

if you go with 215/45/17 your off by 4%

so when doing 60 you will actually be going 62.4

[Oryx]

This may sound like a stupid question, but if i 215/45R17's or 215/40R17's on my P5 with stock suspension, is it going to raise it up a noticable amount? Also, do different tire sizes throw off the odometer?

[Azi]

assuming that a 215 on a 7in wide rim in a 40 offset fits the sedan w/o no problems, does that mean I can fit a 205 on a 6.5" wide with 38 offset?

the way I see it, because the rim is 0.5" narrower, that means I have less 6 mm (0.25" on each side) of extra space on both sides of the rim. since I am pushing the rim out by only 2 mm (40 mm to 38mm), in my mind it fits, but I am not 100% sure. anybody know?

[Levesque]

17x7 +42 offset 215/45/17 rolled fenders.... can u say or must i go try them out ?


ima drive 1 hour to go try them , but if its 100% sure not to fit i wont go :P

[CulRidr]

Haven't seen this yet: 225/45r17 on 17*7.5, +48 offset, on a sedan. My guess is that I'd need rolling, but anyone run this?

[shrews8]

^My friend runs 225/45R17 with Mazda 3 rims on his P5 and they are really damn close he says. I think the rims are 17x6.5 with +52 offset, not too sure though.

[dead_cactus]

Haven't seen this yet: 225/45r17 on 17*7.5, +48 offset, on a sedan. My guess is that I'd need rolling, but anyone run this?

My RPF1's are the same spec, i've been considering trying a 225/45/17, with the 215/45/17 its close so I would assume the rears would need to be rolled.

[CulRidr]

Are the RPF1s 7 or 7.5? I'm trying to figure out how a 215 would look on a 7.5" wheel...beause I know 205 on a 7" looks a shade stretched, so this should be a tad worse?

[dead_cactus]

Its 7.5 with a +48 offset

[CulRidr]

ah that's what you meant...nice! I'm looking at some CP-035s
You said you didn't have much clearance on the fender side, but what about the strut side?

[dead_cactus]

You said you didn't have much clearance on the fender side, but what about the strut side?

Not sure, I never checked. I'm rolling on winters for now until my new tires come in.

[CulRidr]

I guess the guy with the deeper pockets will win out? (If you win, I keep the tie bar :P)

Edit: the bidding suddenly just ended...no idea why.

[Cocco]

you will maybe get away with a 225/40/17 with that offset, but its going to be close either way....LMK if it fits ;)

[Cocco]

^My friend runs 225/45R17 with Mazda 3 rims on his P5 and they are really damn close he says. I think the rims are 17x6.5 with +52 offset, not too sure though.


stock Mazda 3 17's are a 55mm offset and a 17 x 7, and yeah it must be really close :confused:

[nareshseep]

Hi guys, greetings from trinidad, I am looking to get some 16"rims, I am downgrading from 17's,I had some 17"chrome rims with 205/40/17 only used to rub a little in the rear when going over humps when loaded. With 16x7 rims what offset is recommeded and what tyre should I get?

[dead_cactus]

^ I would try and find something +42 or higher and either go with a 195/50/16 or 205/50/16 tire size.

[mbw]

Wow fourteen pages of wheel fitment questions and nobody has mentioned 15's.

Do 15's not clear the brakes? I'm looking to get some 15x7-7.5's to mount a set of 225/50/15 RA1's. This is on a p5. Does anyone run 15's?

[dead_cactus]

15's will clear the brakes fine on a p5, many members use 14" and 15" during the winter. On a MSP you should be fine with anything 15" and up.

[thekid]

I have run 225/50R15 Kumho V710's on 15x7 +45 wheels, with no issues on a MSP.

[mbw]

Thanks.

[xanten]

Im looking to buy some rims but not sure if they would fit without rubbing. There 17" motegi MR7 +40 offset with 215/45/17 nexen 3000 tires. Its for a sedan.

[dead_cactus]

^ How wide is the rim? 7" or 7.5"?

[xanten]

The rims are 7" wide

[xanten]

Just got a new e-mail and there +40 and not +42 so they probobly wont fit

[Shulman_]

what is the widest tire size the P5 can fit with no rubbing? stock springs... 17 inch or 18 inch.... as well as how much wider can they be if the fenders are rolled?

[dead_cactus]

The widest I've gone has been 215, that's lowered though. I have seen some MSP owners run a 225 on the stock MSP suspension and wheels without any rubbing. I think the biggest deciding factor on how wide a tire you can run will be the offset of your wheels.

[viper_707]

The widest I've gone has been 215, that's lowered though. I have seen some MSP owners run a 225 on the stock MSP suspension and wheels without any rubbing. I think the biggest deciding factor on how wide a tire you can run will be the offset of your wheels.

that and also depends on tire some are built a little different so there shape can be different. u might be able to fit 225 with one tire but not with another.

[bikingpro5]

Just got a set of speed6 rims, wondering if i can put a 215/40 or 225/40 on them and not rub?, not lowered (yet) and its a pro5

[dead_cactus]

Go with a 215/35/18

[bikingpro5]

sounds good thank you

[timbit]

My new set of wheels im doing a staggered fitment for my MSP
17x7, fronts +45 offset, rears +40 offset. P215/45R17 tires.
On eibach sportline springs. stock shocks.

The rears scrap ONLY when hitting big bumps or going into driveways.
Once i get another winter beater, and put the MSP into the garage im gonna roll the rear wheel wells myself.
Should be fun.

[solo.]

My new set of wheels im doing a staggered fitment for my MSP
17x7, fronts +45 offset, rears +40 offset. P215/45R17 tires.
On eibach sportline springs. stock shocks.

The rears scrap ONLY when hitting big bumps or going into driveways.
Once i get another winter beater, and put the MSP into the garage im gonna roll the rear wheel wells myself.
Should be fun.

Why don't you do 40 front and 45 rear? Better (marginally) traction up front and no rub in the back.

[timbit]

The +40 in the rear gives it that more wide look when looking from behind.

[thekid]

^because form is more important than function? :confused:

[timbit]

^because form is more important than function? :confused:


This is a street car, It does not see any track time.
So yes, Form > Function for this one.

[Cocco]

Just got a set of speed6 rims, wondering if i can put a 215/40 or 225/40 on them and not rub?, not lowered (yet) and its a pro5

you are going to have to go with a 215/35/18 or you will rub....check the offset as all mazda 6 rims have very high offsets +55 / + 60 and the rims could be close to rubbing the struts before you will rub the fenders.

[Shulman_]

Size: 17" x7
Bolt pattern: 5x100 / 114.3 mm
Offset: +38mm

Would these cause my 03 p5 problems?

[grant_jr]

Will 17X7.5 with 45mm offset fit mazda protege 5?? I think i might need a spacer :S im not too good with the wheels

[TUNEREVO]

New ride, 02 P5, stock height, looking at my 17x7 +42 OS off my old MSP (RIP) tire is 205/40/17 on cornering am I looking at rub in aggressive driving and also same conditions if lowered?

I know its in fitment guide as barely fits, but is that for the lowered stance rule or whatnot, I take a few hard corners every now and then!

[dead_cactus]

At stock height you should be fine.

[midnitehour]

roll the fender add camber.. win.

[Hwy Demon]

rubbing is cool nowadays

[TUNEREVO]

As aware as I am with rubbing being cool, it'd be that I'd hate to toast a tire care I'm doing Mach 1 on a heavy corner and tag a minor 1 inch imperfection in the road surface, the MSP was ok, but hearing the P5 is a little tighter, just want to be certain that if lowered I'm not gonna regret looking for an appropriate answer of someones personal experience so I don't whack myself saying "OH S#!%, wish I hadda looked into this more!) LMAO!

But least I know stock ride will be safe though, thanks for that add Cactus!

[midnitehour]

You know if you're at stock height vs if you're lowered changes nothing in terms of clearance.

If you bottom out when lowered and it rubs, guess what? It'll rub when you bottom out at stock height.

I would want to be lowered so that I can tell that the tires rub, that way you can take action on it. It could be catastrophic if you bottomed out at stock height, with a setup that didn't fit.

Think about the forces when hitting a bump or dip in the road vs a smoother transition of body weight in a turn

[DJ Junior]

You'll be fine with these. Shouldn't need a spacer or anything. What kinda rims? Post pics if you can.

If anyone is wondering about this stuff check http://www.rimsntires.com/wheelfit.jsp

You can change values around to see what will/won't fit on our cars.

Will 17X7.5 with 45mm offset fit mazda protege 5?? I think i might need a spacer :S im not too good with the wheels

[thuzil]

I am assuming 225/45R18 would have too large a diameter for a 01 sedan?

[midnitehour]

might rub when you turn.

225 is doable. but the 45 may not fly.

[jesse]

To bring up an old thread..... I've searched and searched (despite this forum's search being unusable with more than 1 word, is there no way to do an "AND" search?).. and can't find any SOLID verification if a 2002 P5 would fit a 17x7 +40 offset WITH fenders rolled... nothing is specified in original post if those sizes are with rolled or non-rolled fenders?

Also I would LIKE to run a 205/45/17 if that would work also for a bit more sidewall, could do 205/40 if necessary.

Rolling the fenders is no issue for me - I know 2 people with fender rollers... BUT if it's going to be an issue with the fenders rolled too, I will skip on a used set of rims I looked at.

Car is NOT lowered at the moment, but plans are to drop it 1.5-1.8" when I get the rims on, so it will be a factor...

I also like the car to be usable, IE camping gear filling it, mountain bikes on it, sometimes passengers, etc...

Thanks!

[Mike_Moss]

...despite this forum's search being unusable with more than 1 word, is there no way to do an "AND" search?...Use +.

eg, mazda+protege

Hope you find your answer.

[jesse]

Use +.

eg, mazda+protege

Hope you find your answer.

Aha, I was trying "+mazda +protege" or "mazda AND protege" like that, as search engines used to do :p
Other VBulletin boards I'm on don't use that I don't think, wonder if it's a setting... strange :)

Thanks and will keep looking now! Haha

[jesse]

Sorry another question - has anyone actually done the mathematical calculations as to the fitment guide to get those numbers?

17x7 with 0 offset would be 88.9mm each half of the rim. So with +45 offset, the edge of the rim would stick out 43.9mm from the hub.

17x7.5 with 0 offset would be 95.25mm each half of the rim. So with +48 offset, the edge of the rim would stick out 47.25mm from the hub.

0.5 inch means an extra 6.35mm per side, so that would be 6mm offset difference to make up for it, mathematically. Unless something with these cars isn't mathematical ;)

If a 17x7.5 fits with +48, would then a 17x7 with +42 be about equal? That would stick out 46.9mm from the hub. Why does the fitment guide say a +42 on 7" wide would rub, but +48 on 7.5" wide would not, when it sticks out further?

I'm more speaking on the 205/45/17 tire size, as that's what I would be looking for.

[midnitehour]

First off, you'll be fine with a 42 offset on a 7" rim. As I've shoved a 35 in there. At most you'll need to roll your fenders

Keep in mind tires play a huge roll in this. A 205 is very different from tire to tire.

What tire are you going for?

Also what are your alignment spec's? Mp3 alignment gives you a bit of camber which plays a roll on fitment.

[jesse]

I was hoping for something like Falken Ziex 912 as I don't need a super high performance summer (have had Azenis before on another car)... Unless there's a better tire for fitment as I know these have the "rim protector" so they may stick out more due to that..

As per alignment, I don't really know alignment specs, I usually just let the shop do it, so if you have any suggestions I would be happy to listen! I don't really want too much camber though if I can help it, so I'm trying to stick within a good width/offset to make sure of that.. I'm looking at one rim that the best size it comes in is 17x7.5 +45 though (Rota J-Mag), and I have no issue rolling the fenders rather than adding camber to make them fit

[Azi]

if you have no issues with getting the rims to fit, then get them and make them fit! camber solves everything.

[jesse]

I have no issues rolling the fenders, camber and fender flares I do not want.

[02SilverP5]

Looking to buy a 17" with a +45 offset. Will there be any issue? my P5 is stock height for now.

[00bluees]

how wide? 8" is major fender roll, 7.5" in minimal, and 7" you should be able to escape with only an occasional rub with weight in the car.

also depends on tire size as well. anything larger than 215/45/17 on any width above and you may have to roll regardless, that size or less you should be ok again with minimal rubbing.

[jesse]

Careful of the rear - I just got 17x7" wheels, +42 with 205/45/17 and they were rubbing infrequently in the rear over bumps and around corners with just my gf and I in the car.. it was rubbing VERY frequently with one passenger in the back. I haven't even lowered yet.

Just fixed that today by modifying the rear fenders (cutting/rolling).

Seems the rear springs are really soft and bounce a lot, the wheels were almost tucking with just 1 person sitting in the back seat only.

Probably could use new shocks in the rear, but I have Eibach springs waiting so I want to get all new Tokico shocks before I put them in.


EDIT: my mistake, they are +42 as I originally thought... there's a "045" on the back but it's not related to the offset. No wonder I had rubbing as I did

[ejaz89]

I have 17x7 +55 in the rear with a 205/50/17 and have no rubbing issues at stock height

[midnitehour]

Careful of the rear - I just got 17x7" wheels, +42 with 205/45/17 and they were rubbing infrequently in the rear over bumps and around corners with just my gf and I in the car.. it was rubbing VERY frequently with one passenger in the back. I haven't even lowered yet.

Just fixed that today by modifying the rear fenders (cutting/rolling).

Seems the rear springs are really soft and bounce a lot, the wheels were almost tucking with just 1 person sitting in the back seat only.

Probably could use new shocks in the rear, but I have Eibach springs waiting so I want to get all new Tokico shocks before I put them in.


EDIT: my mistake, they are +42 as I originally thought... there's a "045" on the back but it's not related to the offset. No wonder I had rubbing as I did

Not possible. That setup with wider tires have been run dime a dozen on cars far lower. something else is the problem.

[jesse]

Hahaha I love when people try to tell me something didn't happen.
I rolled the fenders, no more rubbing sound.
That was definitely the problem.

I also saw the black rubber marks directly on the fender and the groove marks in the side of the rear tires that had luckily only just started, so they aren't deep.

[midnitehour]

If they just started and were shallow then that's as far as they go, tires don't get wider as they go,

Also what's your camber specs? Positive camber maybe?

[jesse]

Not certain by what you mean it just started... I just got these rims/tires this week so that's why it just started. Both are brand new. Car came with fairly worn 205/50/16's and I have 185/70/14 winters, both which never rubbed. Also possible these tires are a bit more boxy than previous ones used too, but the 16's are OEM so 50 offset, also another reason I'd have no issue with them. The 14's are off a 626, so likely higher offset also so no issue with them either

Not sure on camber, it sits as I bought it in the fall and never checked it.. was going to get alignment when I lower it anyway so I wasn't too worried. Also, both sides were rubbing, and previous tires didn't seem to have any uneven wear on them.

Rear shocks likely need replacing anyway, it's likely it shouldn't be sitting that low with a passenger.. I replaced the fronts shortly after getting the car with just Monroe's to get me by.