Regarding Tint Regulations

[MP5Navy]

This post is in regards to legality of tinting darkness on the car.

New Mod Laws (http://msg.toprotege.com/cgi-bin/ikonboard.cgi?act=ST;f=20;t=4566)

"The windows directly to the left and to the right of the driver, meaning the driver and passenger windows, can be tinted, but only slightly enough so that the driver of the car can be identified by sex, colour, age, race, etc."

Hmmm does that mean that a white guy can have darker tint cause he's so light and you can see his skin glowing through dark glass? Does this mean that a black guy must have lighter tint cause you can't see anything but his smile if the tint is too dark?

More importantly what about us Yellow guys?

[CarDemon]

I had some reservations and comments when Proboy recited their justification. These days males look like females and females look like males. Colour, ethnicity, race guesstimations are all weak excuses to stereotype and leave interpretation wide open for cops. It's bad enough that stereotypes and profiling is not officially written and communicated but exists in the minds of men.

[hawkwind]

Limiting the tint on driver and passenger windows has absolutely nothing to do with racial profiling. There are a couple reasons for it:

1. not to obstruct the drivers view out the windows and so they can clearly see their side view mirrors.

2. Police have an idea of how many and who are in your car. I am sure if you are a police officer you would like to be able to see in the window instead of blindly going up to a car not knowing what to expect from the driver inside. I am sure Proboy would agree with me on this.

[MP5Navy]

Mike that is exactly my point. I don't particulary like laws that can be enforced upon the officer's opinion.

[rowan]

Isn't that basically every single law on the books? http://msg.toprotege.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

[jali-p5]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (hawkwind @ Feb. 21 2003,3:09)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Limiting the tint on driver and passenger windows has absolutely nothing to do with racial profiling.  There are a couple reasons for it:

1. not to obstruct the drivers view out the windows and so they can clearly see their side view mirrors.

2. Police have an idea of how many and who are in your car.  I am sure if you are a police officer you would like to be able to see in the window instead of blindly going up to a car not knowing what to expect from the driver inside.  I am sure Proboy would agree with me on this.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
so you're telling me that if i have limo black back windows and light front windows the cops will be able to see who is in the back of the car???

this is bull anyways because any darkness tint at night time is going to be a byatch for them cops to see through......and if i wanted to splatter their brains across the road, all i'd have to do is not show my gun and blast them when i see them.......hahahaha........it's not like their holding their guns caulked and ready to fire......that's assault!!

[ProBoy]

I'm not going to get much into this but the windows directly to the right and to the left of the driver can be tinted, but only as much to not obstruct the view from the inside out, and from the outside in.

RANT MODE ON

I have been to several serious traffic/pedestrian collisions in the downtown core.

These have occured at night and heavy tint played a key role on the charges and CONVICTION of the drivers because when they were making turning movements in intersections at night they could not see the people walking on the road because the tint was too dark.

Hands down that is the way it is and the way it is going to be.

No offence, but cry all you want about a cop using his interpretation and discretion when dealing with this matter.

He only writes the ticket. The Judge is the one who decides in the end. The Judge may side with you and decide the charge is invalid.

And yes, this also has alot to do with the safety of an officer.

I want to know who is in the car when I am investigating it.

You don't know me personally but I am a nice regular guy with the same car as you. I have a nice girlfriend and a wonderful daughter.

If I get shot and killed because something as stupid as a too dark tint preventing me from seeing a gun in the prick's hand, will you give a shit?

True this is a bit of a rant, but I can account for the other side while on this board.

Put yourself in my shoes for once. I dont deal with the nicest people in the world.

Police need to see who is driving and be able to identify who they are.

One of the ways to end a police pursuit is to be able to identify the driver of the car, and then disengage.

This way no one else stands a chance of getting hurt and a follow up can occur later on.

Heavy tint will prevent that from happening.

I can give you all the reasons in the world, but it is up to you to decide whether you agree.

But FYI, there is a move to have all window tint regulated on all of the windows so that they are not all blacked out.

RANT MODE OFF

[MP5Navy]

ProBoy I completely understand your concerns. The thing is I've always had a respect for Police Officers - they do a job that is often at times dangerous, dealing with people I don't normally deal with on a daily basis.

I'll bitch about you guys and how you give me speeding tickets but I know that you're just doing your job. Even if I do get a ticket I appreciate it if the officer is professional and calm. I've had officers act intimidating and act like they hate their job - but I'm sure that's not the case with all officers.

[CarDemon]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (jali-p5 @ Feb. 21 2003,8:12)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">so you're telling me that if i have limo black back windows and light front windows the cops will be able to see who is in the back of the car???

this is bull anyways because any darkness tint at night time is going to be a byatch for them cops to see through.....[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Mr. Proboy I understand the intention of cops safety and I.Ding purposes but the application of the law is weak, like most laws are. A limo black tint on the most rear windows pose a great threat too. I can see that changing in time too.

Uniformity and sense would be to have, a general set percentage all around the car. As for the personal prejudices, stereotypes that exist in the minds of all men and women I was just stirring the pot.

If I had to pull over a older dark tinted Honda Accord or Camry with a gold chain license plate, barely visible gold kleenex box and gold writing and trim through the blackened tint in the Jane &amp; Finch area!; I would have some reservations. (Just a bad example I had to throw in.)

[ProBoy]

Hmmmm, I do have to agree that some of the laws are somewhat weak and are open to interpretation, thats why the judge is the one who decides in the end.

However you have to understand that a precident has already been set regarding tinted window within the system.

I can atest to rear blacked out windows as well. Makes you cringe sometimes when working alone and a car has to be stopped.

I also agree about the possible professionalisn of officers when dealing with this, but this can sometimes be chalked up to a new and eager copper on the road.

Uniformity is in question here as I do agree. How many panel or cargo vans do you see on the road that do not have side windows at all or anything to the rear.

One of those outside of a bank gives me the willies.



Side note, how did you guys find the article?

It's okay, I have very thick skin.

[superdave]

I have -dark- tint on mycar (5% I think, but I didn't get it put on), and I've been pulled over twice with it. Neither time did the police officer mention it. When you do get pulled over, roll down all your windows and put all interior lights on. Also place your hand on the top of the steering wheel. This will really help to put the officers mind at ease (Would you agree ProBoy?) and I think they may thank you for it.. and go a little easier on you. Maybe I've just gotten reasonable officers.. but it can't hurt to do this.

/edit: Maybe it was only once in the protege with dark tint... hrm... Either way, I got a lot more flack when I got pulled over in the RX-7, which was bone stock... no tint or anything. It seems cops don't like 16 year olds in fast sports cars http://msg.toprotege.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif (one of the reasons I don't drive it anymore...)

[ProBoy]

It also helps to kep the bill of sale if you have the unfortunate luck to have to go to court.

You didn't put the tint on. A tinting professional did it and you relied on their professional opinion when making the purchase.

Remember, you have the right to call any witness you want to court, that includes the tint company.

You can ask them, or compell them to do so. Anything to keep your money in your pocket.

Today, i am going to go to a tint place in Mississauga and see about a tint job and quote.

This will be a project and i will report back on what they say.

If i have time I will do a few over the next further days.