blue turning lights?

[RedfoX]

Has any one seen those blue lights that go in for turning signals instead of the orange? and if you habe where are they amd how much????????????????????

[MP5Navy]

When you get them buy B1 Hybrid cause they have some of the best colour retention. The rear turns are 7440 and the fronts are 1157. The rear bulbs will cost around $11 each, and the front ones should be around the same.

Do you get out very often? Must not... cause these bulbs are everywhere. Everywhere from Canadian Tire to the small shops of Pacific Mall.

[Stocker]

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Dont forget they are illegal too. Cops hate red and blue, it makes you look like a cop car or snow removal equipment.
stocker.

[cruisinblackp5]

I wouldn't worry too much about the legality of blue bulbs as most turn out a somewhat white colour more so than clear. Unless you get the ones that actually turn blue, than you'll have a problem. Should take a week or so.

[ProBoy]

All coloured bulbs other than White, Amber, Red are illegal and will cost you $110.00.

You are only allowed White (Headlamps) or Amber lights(Signals) to the front and side and only White(Back up and License Plate), Amber(Signal) , Red (Brake and Signal)to the rear.

Even the new trend of white/clear corners are not allowed.

Reason is, when signalling, people are used to Amber turn signals which advertise your intentions.

When you have white/clear/blue green whatever flashing, people will get confused.

If you get into an accident and the other person pleads their case well enough, you will be the one at fault.

Same goes for the hood/windsheild nozzle lights. If they flash other than Amber, they are a no-no.

For these hood lights you can have any colour except Red, as long as they stay solid.

However, if the lights are bright enough and can be seen from 150 metres away, they are classified as headlamps and the copper will get you for that.

I babbled, but htought I would educate you to keep you out of trouble.

However, if you are showing your car, say at a show, or on a private parking lot, you can do what ever you want.

[cruisinblackp5]

I'm sure red is fine for rear turn signals as well

[ProBoy]

Yeah it is. Some cars are now factory red rear turn signals, but I am sure i listed it. Just no white or clear signals anywhere.

[feedb4ck]

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Yeah, and all the older model cars only had red rear turns... back in the day....

[Bumblebee(Word!)]

the legalities are pretty open to what is and what is not illegal...

it's pretty crappy, really... i've been doing a lot of research on this since i changed my front turn signals to clear bulbs, and looking to change the rear ones to the same thing...

&quot;it's all under the police officer's judgement&quot;

if they think it's illegal, then most likely you'll get a ticket... it's crappy, really... i phoned up the driving enforcement office, who handle these sorts of matters, and they basically said it's up to the cop...

i then asked about neon lights, etc. also, and they said the same thing... that even got me more confused, and then i looked up the HTA, where it said basically the same thing... it's all under the police's discression (sp??)....

i'll see if i can post that law on the board for you...

[EvolutionIV]

Quotes from HTA: (some relevent, some FYI)

62.  (1) When on a highway at any time from one-half hour before sunset to one-half hour after sunrise and at any other time when, due to insufficient light or unfavourable atmospheric conditions, persons and vehicles on the highway are not clearly discernible at a distance of 150 metres or less, every motor vehicle other than a motorcycle shall carry three lighted lamps in a conspicuous position, one on each side of the front of the vehicle which shall display a white or amber light only, and one on the rear of the vehicle which shall display a red light only.


(for those thinking of tinited covers)Covering or coating of lamps prohibited

(7) No person shall drive upon a highway a motor vehicle where either or both of the lamps that are required on the front of the vehicle by subsections (1), (2) and (3) are coated or covered with a coloured material or lacquer or where either or both of the lamps have been modified by the attachment to the lamps or the motor vehicle of any device that reduces the effective area of the lenses or the intensity of the beam of the lamps.

(hahaha....funny for the ricers with 5 different sets of fogs)
Strength of front lamps

(9) No motor vehicle shall carry on the front thereof more than four lighted lamps that project a beam having an intensity of over 300 candela.

Side marker lamps

(13) When on a highway at any time from one-half hour before sunset to one half-hour after sunrise and at any other time when, due to insufficient light or unfavourable atmospheric conditions, persons and vehicles on the highway are not clearly discernible at a distance of 150 metres or less, every motor vehicle or combination of vehicles having a length in excess of 6.1 metres shall carry not fewer than four lighted side marker lamps, one of which shall be located on each side of the vehicle or combination of vehicles near the front and shall display a green or amber light and one of which shall be located on each side of the vehicle or combination of vehicles near the rear and shall display a red light and each of which lights shall be visible for a distance of 150 metres from the side of the vehicle or combination of vehicles upon which it is located; provided that a vehicle or combination of vehicles may carry four reflectors approved by the Ministry instead of the side marker lamps required by this section; and provided further that, if the clearance lamps upon the left side of any vehicle or combination of vehicles display lights visible for a distance of 150 metres from the left side of the vehicle or combination of vehicles, it is not necessary to carry side marker lamps as required by this subsection on the left side of the vehicle.

Intermittent red light restricted

(14) Subject to subsection (15), no person shall use a lamp, other than the vehicular hazard warning signal lamps commonly known as four way flashers, that produces intermittent flashes of red light. R.S.O. 1990, c. H.8, s. 62 (1-14).

Red light in front

(15) In addition to the lighting requirements in this Part, a vehicle described in subsection (15.1) may carry lamps that cast a red light only or such other colour of light that may, with the approval of the ministry, be designated by a by-law of the municipality in which the vehicle is operated, but no other motor vehicle shall carry any lamp that casts a red light to the front.

Rear lamps to illuminate number plate

(19) The lamp on the rear of a motor vehicle or trailer shall be of at least three candela and shall be so placed that it will, at any time from one-half hour before sunset to one-half hour after sunrise and at any other time when, due to insufficient light or unfavourable atmospheric conditions, persons and vehicles on the highway are not clearly discernible at a distance of 150 metres or less, illuminate the numbers on the number plate, or, if provision is made on the number plate or on any attachment furnished or required by the Ministry for affixing the lamp, it shall be affixed in the position or space provided, and the lamp shall face to the rear and reflect on the number plate a white light only.

Regulations as to lights on vehicles

(21) The Lieutenant Governor in Council may make regulations,

(a) prescribing the type and maximum strength of lights that shall be carried by vehicles, and regulating the location, direction, focus and use of the lights;

(b) regulating or prohibiting the use of lights on vehicles that automatically produce intermittent flashes of light.

Flashing blue light on snow-removal equipment

(31) No person shall, while operating a road service vehicle on a highway, plow, salt or de-ice the highway or apply chemicals or abrasives to the highway for snow or ice control unless the road service vehicle is equipped with a lamp producing intermittent flashes of blue light visible for a distance of 150 metres from all directions.

Restriction on use of flashing blue light

(32) No person shall operate a lamp that produces intermittent flashes of blue light on a highway except in the circumstances described in subsection (31). 1996, c. 33, s. 11.

blah blah...CONCLUSION (for the lazy ones)no definition of blue.....so up to cop or you can fight in court and ask charges be dismissed due to lack of foundation (e.g. the cop is not a colour scientist guy that can properly discern between blue and white.....or maybe on the grounds that cop is non-expert witness on colour......in other words you can use this bad definition of blue to prove that the prosecution has failed to establish a &quot;prima facie&quot; case and hehe..they have to dismiss charges..

hope this helps. (I am not a lawyer or even studying law, all this info is on net...so double-check my info from a RECENT HTA BEFORE you decide to use it in court.)

This info is accurate As of September 30, 2002. as listed on top of webpage..

Evo.

[Bumblebee(Word!)]

juss cool... good reporting...

&quot;two thumbs up!&quot;

like i said, it's all up to the cop... but as EvoIV said, you can probably throw out their &quot;opinion&quot; cause they're not experts on the subject...

[ProBoy]

Well blue is blue. No in between. There is a section for Equipment under the HTA which the charge relates to Improper Signal Device which covers the multi-coloured signals, anything other than Amber(front/rear) and Red(rear).

Now I have had to educated some fellow employees on the differences with the PIAA, APC, HID, Hyper Whites, etc....used for head lights, that they are indeed a white light under the colour spectrum, even though they may seem a little blue.

In Peel Region, their officers have specific instruction on this and other issues dealing with sport compact cars.

There is an enforcement initiative &quot;Reduce Racing in Peel Region&quot; that assists them in this area, and it is very explicit and specific with car equipment.

So in court if someone asks me if Im an expert, in this matter, I will say no, but do to my involvment with cars and mods and understanding aftermarket products, I do according to common law have an above average unerstanding.

If you guys have questions about stuff like this, you may as well post a question on the board.

Anything specific, like tickets or charges, PM me.

Ultimatley, if you have kitted out your car with all manner of lights but do not have the rquired Amber/Red, White in the prescribed places, depending on the copper, you may fail a roadside safety inspection, have your plates seized, and car towed.

Remember, our cars as we buy them stock meet the gov't standard for safety based on how they are sold.

[murda]

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I saw a green light flashing today, I was so confused!?

[MP5Navy]

Adam I completely understand your confusion! I saw twinkle reverse lights today and I thought I was either having an Acid flashback or that the car in front of me had the intention of flying into the sky. Too many colours and I don't have enough cents. I'm so thankful that the police are out patrolling the streets ensuring my safety and sanity when it comes to flashing coloured bulbs. I'm glad my tax dollars are going into such worthy initiatives.

[Protege5girl]

I love those twinkle lights. Last year I searched everywhere for them and no one knew what i was talking about.

[Protege5 Kid]

i say don't change those lights...I did and got pulled over on Bloor street at 2:00pm and infront of all the drunk people coming out of the bars..i had to get under my hood and remove my turn signals...the cop said it was dangerous..then he gave me a ticket

I fought it and won...yeah for me

[ProBoy]

Unless you are a mechanic, and a cop tells you to get under the hood, tell him to do it himself.

Or do it anyway, take the ticket to court, and tell the judge that you felt unsafe and belittled for having to do so and you did it only because the officer had you under duress and that you did it because you thought it was in order to avoid the ticket.

Then tell the judge after removing the light bulb or disconecting it, the officer made your vehicle more unsafe as you now had no more ie: turn signals. Being unsafe was the reason he pulled you over in the first place and he now let you drive away and didnt offer you an alternative to driving home.

Quashed and dismissed.

[Protege5 Kid]

word to craig!!!