48,000 KM inspection = scam????

[lukewagner]

My 2001, protege is almost at 48k (right now at like 47.1 K). when i got my last oil change done at the dealership (dave wood) they told me i should come back at 48k to get "the inspection" last time they told me to do this at 24k it ended up costing like a 150 dollars . Is this more or less a scam the dealership is trying to juice extra profits out of me a young college student, or something that needs to be done to my car?
or is this something i can do by my self............

any help would be appreiceted

[Eds mp5]

Basically my philosophy when anything say inspect why should you pay for it. if it says change, fix, replace, condition, etc. it could be a better idea. Inspect means, look at... why pay someone labour to look at something! i can do that!

ED

[lukewagner]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Eds mp5 @ Nov. 18 2002,12:01)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Basically my philosophy when anything say inspect why should you pay for it.  if it says change, fix, replace, condition, etc.  it could be a better idea.  Inspect means, look at...  why pay someone labour to look at something!  i can do that!

ED[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
ok, but by not getting the car inspected do u think it could cause problems in the future ? i do plan on keeping my car for another 2-3 years

[CarDemon]

For an oilchange at 47,000 km and them telling you to comeback another 1,000km later which is like 2 weeks for some of us on average, is a nasty scam.

Why couldn't that stinky inspection be done then?
I will make note of this and plan my oilchanges to be in sych with the other major services so no overlappin B.S.can suck more money out my wallet.

But by the book in the perfect world, our oilchanges are supposed to be every 8,000km if I'm correct, 48,000km is divisible evenly by 6 so you should've probably got in synch for these bastards and got everything at once and did your oil at 48,000km.

Just to keep the damn stinking stamp booklet and warranty up to par, we are bound to their terms. I would contact Mazda CAnada. Perhaps I'm the only one that feels this way for you. They are raping you.

By the way my alter-ego who gets militant at these things is named Michael Giancanna(Da Black Ceaser). I like to take these issues to the streets. http://msg.toprotege.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sly.gif

[Protege5 Kid]

Raymond always told me...do the inspections! that way if you have any problems with the car during the warrenty you have back up. - if you don't to the inspections then the dealership could say &quot;well you didin't bring it in...that's why this is like that&quot;

It will save you problems in the future

[dr_sarcasm]

Well, it's a two way street in my book:

1. There is NO need to bother with the inspections - the damn vehicle is warrantied, they're just ripping you off (large, may I add);
2. These inspections pay off if (and only if), you have difficulty with the car after the warranty has expired - at least at that point you can point it out and say &quot;But you bloody chimps worked on the car&quot; (mind you, I've never seen or heard of such a thing happening);

With my previous car to this, I told 'em to go stuff their inspections (car ran problem free right up to the moment I hit the back end of a pick up truck...). Oh, and that car had 270,000km on it (the one previous to that had 394,000km and no &quot;inspections&quot;).

YMMV.


dr_sarcasm.

[Mike_Moss]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (dr_sarcasm @ Nov. 18 2002,3:06)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">.....that car had 270,000km on it (the one previous to that had 394,000km......[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
and what type of cars were these??? honduhs, for sure? but cibics? j/k.

[Protege5girl]

As long as you do your oil changes you should have no problem with with warranty. When I brought my car in for service #1, the guy at the counter told me don't bother just get an oil change.

It has been posted several times, that even if you do your own oil change as long as you keep the reciept the warranty will be good.

Unless you suspect something to be wrong with your car, I would pass on the &quot;inspection&quot;.

[CarDemon]

I think the POINT that is being MISSED it that they TOLD HIM TO COME BACK 1000KM LATER for something they could've done at the same time WITH THE OIL CHANGE.

IT IS THE LABOUR MONEY ASPECT of which they are draining his pockets. Did someone say double dipping? and the downtime for him out of his life schedule!

He has no problems with the inspection, if I'm correct.

[lukewagner]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (CarDemon @ Nov. 18 2002,9:52)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I think the POINT that is being MISSED it that they TOLD HIM TO COME BACK 1000KM LATER for something they could've done at the same time WITH THE OIL CHANGE.

IT IS THE LABOUR MONEY ASPECT of which they are draining his pockets. Did someone say double dipping? and the downtime for him out of his life schedule!

He has no problems with the inspection, if I'm correct.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
your right i dont have a problem with the inspection
but they did weasel me they should have just done it at the same time or asked if they could have done it

[frankied]

48k service on a Protege is not just an 'inspection'. Did nobody here ever read the maintenance schedule for their car? It's an 8k, 24k, and 48K service combined. Each covers different items.   Yes, the 8K is basically oil and filter. We all agree there.   But the 48k also includes:
Brake service (lubricate calipers slides/pins) - part of the 24K service
Replace air filter
Replace spark plugs
Radiator cap pressure test
... and yes, lots of 'inspections' also.
There is no substitute for knowing your car's maintenance schedule and doing a little planning. If you went in and asked for oil/filter only, then you can't blame them if that is all they did. Give them credit for not selling you more than you asked for.... some people would complain if a dealer tried to sell a full 48k service when they asked for just oil/filter!

[dr_sarcasm]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (mike_moss @ Nov. 18 2002,7:21)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">and what type of cars were these??? honduhs, for sure? but cibics?  j/k.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Remind me to have you shot.

Twice.


dr_sarcasm.

P.S. 270,000km = 2.0L VW Golf GTI; 394,000km = 1.6L Chevy Nova (Toyata engine)

[dr_sarcasm]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"> Brake service (lubricate calipers slides/pins) - part of the 24K service
Replace air filter
Replace spark plugs
Radiator cap pressure test
[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>

...and you feel this is worth $150?

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dr_sarcasm.

[frankied]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (dr_sarcasm @ Nov. 19 2002,02:26)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"> Brake service (lubricate calipers slides/pins) - part of the 24K service
Replace air filter
Replace spark plugs
Radiator cap pressure test
[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>

...and you feel this is worth $150?

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dr_sarcasm.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
I sure do, ... once you add up ALL that is done on the 8k, 24k, and 48k. Check the maint schedule. $150 actually seems like a bargain to me, condidering $150 barely covers 2 hours labour (never mind parts) . And you get oil/filter, brake service, new plugs, air filter, and more.

[CarDemon]

Once again, Mr.Wagner has NO problem with the inspection!
Although he may think it is B.S. IS IRRELEVANT!
He just wants to keep the Warranty Gods Happy!
He is upset that they told him to COME BACK 1000KM LATER WHEN IT COULD'VE BEEN DONE AT THE OIL CHANGE.

WHETHER OR NOT HE BELIEVES THE INTEGRITY OF THE INSPECTION, IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN DONE AT THE OIL CHANGE IS HIS ARGUEMENT!!!

COMING BACK 1000KM LATER;PROBABLY A 2 WEEK PERIOD OF DRIVING IS COSTING MORE UNNECESSARY LABOUR MONEY FOR HIM, AND HIS TIME TO SCHEDULE AND ATTEND THE APPOINTMENT.

Next time you guys are getting your brakes done and the mechanic replaces your pads and tells you that you will need rotors in 2 weeks, would you rather comeback in two weeks and pay the extra F-ing labour to do a job which could've been done. http://msg.toprotege.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/crazy.gif

I'm sorry guys, I must be the only struggling working class man here! The rest of you ARE RICH, TERRORIST, ARMS DEALING, OIL PUMPING SHIEKS.

[dr_sarcasm]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (frankied @ Nov. 19 2002,11:08)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">...Check the maint schedule.   $150 actually seems like a bargain to me, condidering $150 barely covers 2 hours labour (never mind parts) . And you get oil/filter, brake service, new plugs, air filter, and more.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
frankied,

Re-read what Luke posted - he's getting charged $150 per maintenance visit (well, his last one anyways).

I'm sorry, but the majority of what he's getting done is not necessary, nor is it worth $150 - cars are not that fragile (other than the necessary oil change - get that done at every 5,000k and you should be fine).

You and I have differing opinions, and that's good. We'll just have to agree to disagree on the above.

Cheers,


dr_sarcasm.

[frankied]

Well, we'll let Luke come back and clarify the concern if he wants to. I don't think we basically disagree, as I HATE giving money for something that is not needed or I can do myself. But one thing that I think should be done is the brake caliper service, probably every 24K, just like the book says. Calipers that seize can cause nasty and expensive problems (I know from past experience). Also a warranty claim for something like a warped brake rotor will be much easier to get covered if you can prove you did some brake maintenance.
Yes, money can be saved by telling them only what you want done and what you think is important. But I think in the long run it does not pay to cut service down to just oil/filter. Eventually various fluids must be replaced also. It's the old saying 'pay me now or pay me later'

[dr_sarcasm]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (CarDemon @ Nov. 19 2002,11:20)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">The rest of you ARE RICH, TERRORIST, ARMS DEALING, OIL PUMPING SHIEKS.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Just lil-sushi, Sunburst-P5, and Keewee.


dr_sarcasm.

[CarDemon]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (frankied @ Nov. 19 2002,11:41)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">It's the old saying 'pay me now or pay me later'[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
In the ghetto we use this variation..,
&quot;pay me now or pay me MORE later&quot; http://msg.toprotege.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

[frankied]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (CarDemon @ Nov. 19 2002,11:45)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (frankied @ Nov. 19 2002,11:41)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">It's the old saying 'pay me now or pay me later'[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
In the ghetto we use this variation..,
&quot;pay me now or pay me MORE later&quot; http://msg.toprotege.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Exactly! I almost said that myself!

[ALS-protege]

hi
I spoke with oakville Mazda a few weeks ago...
I got the list of all the things that is included in the 48,000km service...
Quite a long list, but there was alot of check this and Inspect that....
So I took it upon myself to do some of the work myself.
Change Oil&amp;Filter...
Change Spark Plugs...

I called back Oakville Mazda to say that I am due for my 48,000k service but not all the work needs to be done.
I explained to them I have an aftermarket air filter, changed my own oil and filter, changed spark plugs, and I do not need my tires rotated as I am getting Winters on soon.
By the way...All the material I bought were Mazda parts to...

SO at first...the total to get the 48,000 service done is $390+tax...
After speaking with the service guy, the price will now be dropped to $300+tax...also they still have to deduct the 15% off on all parts if needed cause of the toprotege sponsorship...

Are all dealerships the same with Pricing???

[dr_sarcasm]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (ALS-protege @ Nov. 19 2002,12:10)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Quite a long list, but there was alot of check this and Inspect that....[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
...and that's where my beef lies with the dealerships. They're charging you far too much to just &quot;check&quot; things.

Like I said, and YMMV, I don't think a lot of that is necessary. Some of that more important stuff I'd get it done somewhere else (for a helluva lot cheaper, and just as good, if not better, service).


dr_sarcasm.

[Mike_Moss]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (dr_sarcasm @ Nov. 19 2002,02:25)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (mike_moss @ Nov. 18 2002,7:21)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">and what type of cars were these??? honduhs, for sure? but cibics?  j/k.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Remind me to have you shot.

Twice.


dr_sarcasm.

P.S.  270,000km = 2.0L VW Golf GTI; 394,000km = 1.6L Chevy Nova (Toyata engine)[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
We shall fight to the death.

You with your fire arm and me with a dull, rusty spoon.

Although the wounds may not harm you instantly, you shall die from tetnus shortly thereafter.

-Mike.

P.S. NUTZ! what year was the GTI? you gonna drive your P5 to the grave, too?

[lizard]

Any normal repair shop always did a visual inspection for me and top up all fluids (reasonably) when i did my oil change. It never cost me more than 30-32 bucks. The place i usually went with most my cars was superior tire at VP and Danforth cuase they knew me and always gave me good deals and product.

Everytime I went to the dealership they asked me if i did a certain recomeded service. So I always said:hats in it?Once, it turned out that the package price was higher than the components because of added visual checks. So I always broke it in two pieces and made them justify each one. It usually turned out that they were suggesting it more frequently than needed. After doing all components of a service that were necessary the price was usually less than half of the price of recomended service.

Who the fuck do dealerships think we are... monkeys or something. It pisses me off when i get ripped off so much.
Ray if you are reading this I will admit that i have not been to avante and actaully am considering visiting. The only thins is that Ontario mazda owes me a free oil change as well. Another thing the sent me is a letter that gurantees an oil change in 30 minutes with no appointment. So I will go there during the busiest times and if they dont do it in 30 minutes i will demand it be free to uphold their gurantee.

It hurts me everytine a dealership tries to fuck their customers out of money. They know full well that something is not required but tell you that if something goes wrong because of that you may not be covered. Its like buying extended warranty. Whether you get it or not the most expensive thing breaks down 1 week after warranty expires no matter how long it is....


AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAArrrgggghh....

And on top of that some dickhead scratched my bumper.....


1...2....3....4....5....6...7....8.....9....10.....
Ok I am better now......
Paul

[dr_sarcasm]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">We shall fight to the death.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>

I'm gonna make your's messy.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">You with your fire arm and me with a dull, rusty spoon.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>

When I'm through with you, I'm gonna perform an autopsy with that dull, rusty spoon...

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">P.S. NUTZ! what year was the GTI? you gonna drive your P5 to the grave, too?[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>

The GTI was from '94, and yup, I'm driving Matilda into the ground.

[Mike_Moss]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (dr_sarcasm @ Nov. 19 2002,1:18)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">We shall fight to the death.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>

I'm gonna make your's messy.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">You with your fire arm and me with a dull, rusty spoon.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>

When I'm through with you, I'm gonna perform an autopsy with that dull, rusty spoon...

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">P.S.  NUTZ!  what year was the GTI?  you gonna drive your P5 to the grave, too?[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>

The GTI was from '94, and yup, I'm driving Matilda into the ground.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
cuz messier hurts more....and i care about autopsies when i'm dead.

[lukewagner]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (frankied @ Nov. 19 2002,11:41)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Well, we'll let Luke come back and clarify the concern if he wants to. I don't think we basically disagree, as I HATE giving money for something that is not needed or I can do myself. But one thing that I think should be done is the brake caliper service, probably every 24K, just like the book says.  Calipers that seize can cause nasty and expensive problems (I know from past experience). Also a warranty claim for something like a warped brake rotor will be much easier to get covered if you can prove you did some brake maintenance.
Yes, money can be saved by telling them only what you want done and what you think is important.  But  I think in the long run it does not pay to cut service down to just oil/filter. Eventually various  fluids must be replaced also. It's the old saying 'pay me now or pay me later'[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
jeez quite the can of worms i opened up for everyone http://msg.toprotege.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif . I got my oil changed at like 45k cuz i was going on a long road trip so i did it before hand.
I dont know how much they are gonna charge me for this 48k service but i will check by calling the dealership up soon.

I am kinda gettin freaked out as one guy posted that it cost him $300 dollars for the service on his car! jeez thats a lot. that is almost 1 months payment on my car.

well time will tell how much it will cost.

Thanks Again